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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Emil Larsson <[email protected]> wrote:
> From the little I heard about Counter-strike 2, it probably turns out very
> different. And due to the little press around it, it's probably in the "we
> test what sticks stage", which was the stage TF2 was under for almost seven
> years.
>
> I expect a lot of CSS players moan about CS2 when it's out as it's "too
> diffrent". Kinda like with some TFC players when TF2 came out, but on a
> larger scale.
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Evaldas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> That's really funny... CS2? What should CS2 look like? OrangeBox? Nop, we
>> have CS:S
>> OrangeBox+1.6 gameplay? Nop, we have CS:Promod? A game on 14 year old
>> engine? HL1:CS2? Nop, thats hilarious...
>> I don't really understand what you kids want from CS2 actually?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:57:08 +0300, C Szabo <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> They could update VAC so it actually catches cheaters and then they would
>>> make money again! :)
>>> There is a lot of cheaters in 1.6. Or they should make CS2 so they can
>>> make money again on 1.6 players.
>>>
>>>  Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:07:32 -0400
>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>> To: [email protected].**com<[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Half-Life 1 engine beta update released
>>>>
>>>> I'm not saying CS 1.6 is irrelevant; I shouldn't have compared it to
>>>> Quake 2 and that was my mistake.  Yes, CS 1.6 is hugely popular
>>>> worldwide, and yes, it's still a great game.  But Valve is in the
>>>> business of making money, and how much does Valve make off of CS 1.6
>>>> these days compared to its other products?  Probably not much.  I think
>>>> this game has become a monkey on Valve's back, so to speak.  It's still
>>>> very popular and it has a tremendous following, but the actual revenue
>>>> they bring in from it is small.  Most software companies don't support
>>>> their products nearly as long Valve has been supporting CS.
>>>>
>>>> That's why I'm saying that we're lucky they even work on it at all.
>>>> They could just as easily throw their hands up in the air and say
>>>> they're done working on it.  People would still buy new games, Valve
>>>> would continue to make money, and we would be stuck with bugs that will
>>>> never get fixed.  So, instead of insulting them for not doing this work
>>>> sooner, it seems like we should be thanking them for doing this work at
>>>> all.  We're not paying them to use the game once we've bought it, and
>>>> we're not paying them for the server stuff at all.
>>>>
>>>> On 07/26/2011 01:48 PM, ics wrote:
>>>> > One sentence. Mann Co Store ingame. More money than cs 1.6 buyers bring
>>>> in.
>>>> >
>>>> > -ics
>>>> >
>>>> > 26.7.2011 20:43, C Szabo kirjoitti:
>>>> >> TF2 is only bigger becuse its free. So they should stop support TF2
>>>> >> when they dont even make money on it? :P
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:24:49 +0300
>>>> >>> From: [email protected]
>>>> >>> To: 
>>>> >>> [email protected].**com<[email protected]>
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Half-Life 1 engine beta update released
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Ok, I understand you, but Counter-Strike was the most played game in
>>>> >>> The STEAM before TF2 F2P, and now it is in second place, so VALVe
>>>> >>> SHOULD release bugfixes and support this game, and I think this game
>>>> >>> is most popular First Person Shooter in The World, because there are
>>>> >>> a lot of non-steam players, thousands of them ...
>>>> >>> Quoting *David A. Parker<[email protected]> [1]*:
>>>> >>>> I don't want to get into a flame war here, but seriously, Counter
>>>> >>>> Strike
>>>> >>>> is how old now? I think we're lucky that Valve is still putting
>>>> >>>> effort
>>>> >>>> into it, and insulting Alfred for doing this work now instead of
>>>> >>>> two
>>>> >>>> years ago isn't productive. I'm sure everyone at Valve, including
>>>> >>>> Alfred, has better (and more profitable) things to work on in the
>>>> >>>> last
>>>> >>>> few years. Complaining to Valve about the lack of fixes in CS is
>>>> >>>> like
>>>> >>>> complaining to id Software about a bug in Quake 2. It doesn't even
>>>> >>>> make
>>>> >>>> sense.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> - Dave
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 07/26/2011 12:57 PM, Janis Petrovs wrote:
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > Did you read this bug with +voicerecord(voicecomm)? And what
>>>> >>>> about
>>>> >>>> > cs_siege bug with "concert hall" sound? After this map I
>>>> >>>> have to
>>>> >>>> > restart my CS to get back normal sound. Also "Internet List"
>>>> >>>> is full
>>>> >>>> > with Fake Servers, please ban these servers or block.
>>>> >>>> Counter-strike
>>>> >>>> > is going down because VALVe don't fix bugs, Ok now Alfred is
>>>> >>>> doing
>>>> >>>> > something after two years of doing nothing... I think VALVe
>>>> >>>> need to
>>>> >>>> > shame ...
>>>> >>>> > Quoting *Janis Petrovs<[email protected]> [1]*:
>>>> >>>> >> Good update, now setmaster work correct, but now there is
>>>> >>>> problem
>>>> >>>> >> with voicecomm, when player join server, it works but
>>>> >>>> after some
>>>> >>>> >> time it doesn't, so players can't use voicecomm, please
>>>> >>>> fix this as
>>>> >>>> >> fast as you can, players are asking me why they can't
>>>> >>>> speak.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >> Quoting *Alfred 
>>>> >>>> >> Reynolds<Alfred@valvesoftware.**com<[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> >>>> [2]*:
>>>> >>>> >>> We have released an update to the beta, run the
>>>> >>>> hldsupdatetool with
>>>> >>>> >>> "-beta hlbeta" to get this update. Changes for this
>>>> >>>> update are:
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>> - fixed failing to load steam interfaces on windows
>>>> >>>> (updated
>>>> >>>> >>> steamclient binaries) (win32)
>>>> >>>> >>> - statically linked libsteam.so to libstdc++ so you
>>>> >>>> don't need to
>>>> >>>> >>> update it (linux)
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>> Let us see if this one sticks.
>>>> >>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > Links:
>>>> >>>> > ------
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>>>> >>>> > [2] mailto:Alfred@valvesoftware.**com <[email protected]>
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>>>> >>>> Systems Administrator
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