Sorry, I shouldn't have joined in with the shooting-from-the-hip debugging. I tossed out a troubleshooting suggestion, which I probably shouldn't have done. I was just looking for something that might be different from this update compared to previous ones, to cause the problem. Looks like everybody but the original poster and me already knew that steam.inf just doesn't update properly and it's a longstanding problem.
The update process...could use some improvement. We know. It will happen when we convert the entire game to the new content delivery system. Thanks, - Fletch -----Original Message----- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of PharaohsPaw Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:05 AM To: HLDS Linux Subject: [hlds_linux] (ATTN: Valve) steam.inf missing and other "incomplete update" problems Although I've said much of this already I'm making a separate post in its own topic in hopes that Valve will give it some serious consideration, and more importantly, do something about it to fix the problem. I am thankful that Valve staff does pay attention to this mailing list. The subject of this post is a problem that has been around for a long time. I have been operating public gameservers off and on since 2006 and have seen this occur with some update releases pretty much since then. I am not the first person to say this happens, and I am also pretty sure this is not the first time I had something to say about it here. In short, the problem is incomplete updates. It seems that the (gamedir)/steam.inf file is the file most often left out of updates, but sometimes other updated or new files are involved. Sometimes (apparently) files that an "updated" server will crash without are missed. SCOPE OF PROBLEM I should point out that I am specifically referring only to update scenarios where the updater for a particular gameserver "tree" initiates an update, pulls in files, AND RECEIVES A SUCCESSFUL "HLDS Installation Is Up to Date" MESSAGE FROM THAT MASTER AND THE STEAM BINARY RESPONSIBLE FOR UPDATING THE SERVER FILES EXITS WITH A 0 RETURN CODE when there are actually files missing and the server cannot run properly afterwards as a result. The scenario in question also involves NOT using -verify_all among the arguments passed to the steam binary to perform the update. Whether the server in question is just using srcds_run with -autoupdate among the command line arguments, or using nemrun or any other properly-written script isn't important. While it is possible to have incorrectly-written scripts to run and/or update our servers, that isn't what I'm talking about here. Nemrun and other properly-written update scripts do not run "./steam -command update -game tf -dir ." (or whatever) only once and ASSUME the update was successful. We can't do that because it is fairly common to get a connection reset from whichever master we are pulling the update from before it is complete. It has to check the return code from the steam binary doing the update, and if it isn't 0, you have to repeat until it IS 0. Also, it needs to be understood by anyone at Valve investigating this problem that neither nemrun, nor any other script (including your own srcds_run with used with -autoupdate) that I'm talking about does anything more than call the steam binary with "-command update". Nemrun in updatedaemon mode may have its own implementation of checking in with steam to see if an update is needed, but it does comply with your protocols, and even when it does start an update, it only does it because your masters said a required update was available. And it calls the same steam binary to do the actual updating that srcds_run does. Guess why the steam.inf file is so important? This isn't specific to nemrun, by the way. It tells the dedicated server which version to report to the steam masters. So its contents (or existence) means everything to that dedicated server when it checks in with the masters. You could be 100% in sync with the latest dedicated server files, and edit steam.inf to show an older version, and the next time your server checks in with the masters it is going to tell you that you need to update. And until your steam.inf file has the same patch level/version that the masters think is the latest required version, your server will keep telling you to restart for the latest update. The same is true if the file isn't there at all. So it's not just nemrun that needs this file. It needs it for the same reasons the gameserver itself does. The nemrun scripts are out there for Valve and anybody else to look at. Please look at them before you say nemrun is the problem. It isn't. So what IS going on? As far as I'm concerned we have a couple of different issues here: 1. The steam binary can remove the existing steam.inf file while updating a server, even if it doesn't have an updated one to replace it with. 2. The steam binary will exit with a 0 return code and claim that the HLDS Installation is Up To Date when the server hasn't been fully updated. Anyone seeing a pattern yet? STEAM BINARY Now, let's talk about distributing updates among your masters. Here are a couple questions anyone thinking about this rationally should ask: 1. Why does a master server tell you that an update is available if it doesn't have ALL of the updated files yet? If it doesn't have all the updated files, it should not be telling you to restart your server UNTIL IT DOES. 2. Why does the steam binary exit with a 0 RETURN CODE (successful) AND EVEN TELL YOU 'HLDS Installation is Up To Date' if it doesn't have all the files that got updated? SUGGESTIONS I don't have visibility of the inner workings of Valve's content distribution system and I am not aware of whatever policies and procedures you may have for releasing updates. (and I am not sure I would want to either, heh). So I have to admit I am making some guesses here. But I have a few suggestions that I think would be relevant. 1. Look at the "protocol" used by your masters, or maybe just policies and procedures for deploying updates onto them, which control when to start issuing Server Out of Date messages to dedicated servers, so that they will absolutely not under any circumstance start telling the dedicated servers heartbeating in that they need to restart/update UNTIL IT HAS *ALL* OF THE UPDATED FILES READY TO SERVE. 2. If files and directories that need to be pushed out as updated content have to be "flagged" by the folks preparing the updates for the masters to know which files it is supposed to push out to the dedicated servers for an update, HAVE SOMEONE QA CHECK THE FLAGGED FILES/DIRS LIST before the update release is approved (and the master servers start using it) to make sure files weren't left off the list. ESPECIALLY THE STEAM.INF FILE. The steam.inf file is ALWAYS updated for mandatory updates. So checking the updated files list should ALWAYS require making sure steam.inf is marked as a file to push out. 3. It is possible that nemrun or other scripts like it are talking indirectly to a master (through an API) that isn't "in sync" with whichever master server the steam binary will talk to to pull in the update. This is still not nemrun's fault. The nemrun script is using SteamAPI now to see if an update is available. (https://api.steampowered.com). If this API is telling "anyone that asks" that a required update is out before any (AND ALL) of the master servers the steam binary will actually pull the update in from has the complete set of update files ready to serve, then this needs to be fixed. My suggestion would be that api.steampowered.com be the LAST thing you guys push to - ie, only after ALL of the steam masters that will be serving updated content have 100% of the update and are ready to serve it. So the API host won't say there is an update until it's ready to be served. CONCLUSION Rather than just telling people "-verify_all" is the only recommended or supported way to update your gameserver, find and fix the problems that make a "./steam -command update" fail sometimes without -verify_all added -- even if only to help yourselves out with the load on the masters when updates get released. I suspect the answer lies in one or more of the items noted above. People don't like to use -verify_all to get updates because it takes FOREVER to finish. Doing an update without -verify_all usually only takes a minute or so - whether doing that gets you a complete updated server or not depends entirely on what the steam binary pulls in. Nothing else. You can't blame nemrun or something else when the steam binary exits with a 0 return code and says "HLDS Installation Up To Date". 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