On 26/01/2013 18:51, Claudio Beretta wrote:
You can't really blame him for asking this:
-no announcement available at release
-client updates almost always make the server download the updated files,
even if it's optional for them
-tf2 history of forgetting to update steam.inf / master servers not sending
out the update notification
-tf2 history of mandatory updates being shipped as optional, and vice versa
-tf2 history of ghost updates
When no announcement is made, the only way to reliably figure out if an
update is required for servers is having a client update, trying to connect
to an outdated server. Not everyone has a PC with tf2 always available.
I wasn't blaming him for anything. Just pointing out other ways to see
what the client update was
in the 45 minutes he must have sat nervously sweating about if there was
an update or not.
If he observed clients updating and connecting to his server then what I
said applied - and if he
didn't observe clients updating or servers updating because of the stuff
in your hypothetical list then
I can't imagine anyone would spontaneously decide to fret about whether
there's an update or not.
The "truth", if you like, is the update process itself. If your server
doesn't update or tell you there is an update, then there is no update.
All the fluff about ghost updates and so on is a red herring. If your
client updates, then it updates - whether
the update is real or not is moot - your client is still updating isn't it?
So, asking here "is there an update" makes little sense if you have a
server nor if you don't have one. In the former case
you can see for yourself if there is one and in the latter case it
shouldn't really matter.
I've never been sure why they post the updates here, because it has
served little useful purpose at all (It's main feature
seems to be to enable whoever's turn it is this week to reply to Eric's
post moaning about whatever they don't currently like and to
point out why that feature or bug will mean the end of TF2 as we know
it) or to ask the same question about counterstrike that's asked every time.
Now you want Eric to post when there aren't updates too? Because if
there's no post saying there is an update
you don't think "There isn't an update" you ask anyway just in case
there is one. Sheesh.
So yeah I get it, it's like when you get on a train, you know where you
want to go, you know where the train is going from
all the evidence, but you still start sweating and have to ask someone
"Is this the train to Greater Frogsbottom?" You don't trust any of the
numerous things
telling you there is no update. In that case you'll just have to sit and
sweat and see where the train goes.
Or it's like the timestamp some log programs put in syslog to stop
admins who decide no error messages can't mean nothing's broken,
Eric needs to post once an hour to say "No update" so we know he's not
merely forgotten to post.
--
Dan.
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