It appears that if you don't need or do something then you assume everyone else must doing the same, and when given reasons why one would appreciate getting an update announcement you still don't acknowledge that, so I've got this bad feeling I'm wasting our time here.
Again, not every server admin has 24/7 access to a PC with TF2 to check updates, so getting timely update notifications on the mailing list is useful. My list isn't hypothetical: anyone that has been hosting tf2 servers for a while and cares about his community knows those and other issues happened regularly. And there are other ways to know an update has been released, such as a text/skype message on your phone (not hypothetical, happened to me for real). And yes, valve have been posting optional (client) updates to this list. On 26/01/2013 18:51, Claudio Beretta wrote: > You can't really blame him for asking this: > -no announcement available at release > -client updates almost always make the server download the updated files, > even if it's optional for them > -tf2 history of forgetting to update steam.inf / master servers not sending > out the update notification > -tf2 history of mandatory updates being shipped as optional, and vice versa > -tf2 history of ghost updates > > When no announcement is made, the only way to reliably figure out if an > update is required for servers is having a client update, trying to connect > to an outdated server. Not everyone has a PC with tf2 always available. > I wasn't blaming him for anything. Just pointing out other ways to see what the client update was in the 45 minutes he must have sat nervously sweating about if there was an update or not. If he observed clients updating and connecting to his server then what I said applied - and if he didn't observe clients updating or servers updating because of the stuff in your hypothetical list then I can't imagine anyone would spontaneously decide to fret about whether there's an update or not. The "truth", if you like, is the update process itself. If your server doesn't update or tell you there is an update, then there is no update. All the fluff about ghost updates and so on is a red herring. If your client updates, then it updates - whether the update is real or not is moot - your client is still updating isn't it? So, asking here "is there an update" makes little sense if you have a server nor if you don't have one. In the former case you can see for yourself if there is one and in the latter case it shouldn't really matter. I've never been sure why they post the updates here, because it has served little useful purpose at all (It's main feature seems to be to enable whoever's turn it is this week to reply to Eric's post moaning about whatever they don't currently like and to point out why that feature or bug will mean the end of TF2 as we know it) or to ask the same question about counterstrike that's asked every time. Now you want Eric to post when there aren't updates too? Because if there's no post saying there is an update you don't think "There isn't an update" you ask anyway just in case there is one. Sheesh. So yeah I get it, it's like when you get on a train, you know where you want to go, you know where the train is going from all the evidence, but you still start sweating and have to ask someone "Is this the train to Greater Frogsbottom?" You don't trust any of the numerous things telling you there is no update. In that case you'll just have to sit and sweat and see where the train goes. Or it's like the timestamp some log programs put in syslog to stop admins who decide no error messages can't mean nothing's broken, Eric needs to post once an hour to say "No update" so we know he's not merely forgotten to post. -- Dan. ______________________________**_________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux<https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
