I feel this discussion is getting a little out of hand over nothing. What I merely meant in my original reply to wicketplayer494 his question was for people to just have a little patience with the release of stuff like update notes and such, especially when the update is rolled out on a saturday. These days patience is a virtue lost on most people, unfortunately.
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Claudio Beretta <[email protected]> wrote: > It appears that if you don't need or do something then you assume everyone > else must doing the same, and when given reasons why one would appreciate > getting an update announcement you still don't acknowledge that, so I've > got this bad feeling I'm wasting our time here. > > Again, not every server admin has 24/7 access to a PC with TF2 to check > updates, so getting timely update notifications on the mailing list is > useful. > My list isn't hypothetical: anyone that has been hosting tf2 servers for a > while and cares about his community knows those and other issues happened > regularly. And there are other ways to know an update has been released, > such as a text/skype message on your phone (not hypothetical, happened to > me for real). > And yes, valve have been posting optional (client) updates to this list. > > > On 26/01/2013 18:51, Claudio Beretta wrote: > >> You can't really blame him for asking this: >> -no announcement available at release >> -client updates almost always make the server download the updated files, >> even if it's optional for them >> -tf2 history of forgetting to update steam.inf / master servers not sending >> out the update notification >> -tf2 history of mandatory updates being shipped as optional, and vice versa >> -tf2 history of ghost updates >> >> When no announcement is made, the only way to reliably figure out if an >> update is required for servers is having a client update, trying to connect >> to an outdated server. Not everyone has a PC with tf2 always available. >> > > I wasn't blaming him for anything. Just pointing out other ways to see what > the client update was > in the 45 minutes he must have sat nervously sweating about if there was an > update or not. > > If he observed clients updating and connecting to his server then what I > said applied - and if he > didn't observe clients updating or servers updating because of the stuff in > your hypothetical list then > I can't imagine anyone would spontaneously decide to fret about whether > there's an update or not. > > The "truth", if you like, is the update process itself. If your server > doesn't update or tell you there is an update, then there is no update. > > All the fluff about ghost updates and so on is a red herring. If your > client updates, then it updates - whether > the update is real or not is moot - your client is still updating isn't it? > > So, asking here "is there an update" makes little sense if you have a > server nor if you don't have one. In the former case > you can see for yourself if there is one and in the latter case it > shouldn't really matter. > > I've never been sure why they post the updates here, because it has served > little useful purpose at all (It's main feature > seems to be to enable whoever's turn it is this week to reply to Eric's > post moaning about whatever they don't currently like and to > point out why that feature or bug will mean the end of TF2 as we know it) > or to ask the same question about counterstrike that's asked every time. > > Now you want Eric to post when there aren't updates too? Because if there's > no post saying there is an update > you don't think "There isn't an update" you ask anyway just in case there > is one. Sheesh. > > So yeah I get it, it's like when you get on a train, you know where you > want to go, you know where the train is going from > all the evidence, but you still start sweating and have to ask someone "Is > this the train to Greater Frogsbottom?" You don't trust any of the numerous > things > telling you there is no update. In that case you'll just have to sit and > sweat and see where the train goes. > > Or it's like the timestamp some log programs put in syslog to stop admins > who decide no error messages can't mean nothing's broken, > Eric needs to post once an hour to say "No update" so we know he's not > merely forgotten to post. > > -- > Dan. > > ______________________________**_________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux<https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Idleness is not doing nothing. Idleness is being free to do anything. - Floyd Dell _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
