I meant Fultons "The Ruby Way."  Obie's book is "The Rails Way".

Of course this reminded me of "The Zen Way" and "The Way of Zen," but
my guess most of you are too young to remember Alan Watts. :)

On Dec 30, 3:20 am, PTPT <[email protected]> wrote:
> or maybe "Riding the Rails HOBO Style"
>
> On Dec 29, 10:06 pm, PTPT <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Riding Rails- The Hobo Way
>
> > On Dec 29, 9:05 am, Ian Wood <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Ooh that's good! Works on several levels and does what it says on the
> > > tin! I vote for "The Hobo Code Guide".
>
> > > On Dec 29, 6:17 pm, "Andrew Shindyapin" <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Or something like "The Hobo Code Guide" 
> > > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobo#Hobo_code)
>
> > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Ian Wood
> > > > <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > > > This is excellent news indeed, I'd be happy to help out in any way
> > > > > that I can.
> > > > > As for the title how about: "Becoming a Hobo" :-)
>
> > > > > On Dec 29, 5:58 pm, Owen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks, Tiago, we WILL need it.
>
> > > > > > We also need help for a REAL title. Until we get a brainstorm from
> > > > > > someone we are using the interim designation "The Hobo Primer."
>
> > > > > > -Owen
>
> > > > > > On Dec 29, 10:41 am, Tiago Franco <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Hi,
>
> > > > > > > Excellent news and many thanks to the supporters.
>
> > > > > > > You may count with my feedback if needed.
>
> > > > > > > TF
>
> > > > > > > On Dec 29, 3:27 pm, Owen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Thanks, James--we'll need you!
>
> > > > > > > > On Dec 29, 10:21 am, James Garlick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > That's great Owen, I'd be happy to provide feedback.
>
> > > > > > > > > On 29 Dec 2008, at 15:11, Owen wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Tom, James & All Dedicated Hoboists,
>
> > > > > > > > > > I received the green light from Ramon Barquin to pursue 
> > > > > > > > > > writing
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > book ASAP.  We are lucky to have Jeffrey Lapides leading 
> > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > effort.
> > > > > > > > > > Jeff has created a draft outline of goals and chapters that 
> > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > aare
> > > > > > > > > > reviewing today.
>
> > > > > > > > > > The "draft" intended audiences:
>
> > > > > > > > > >     * The RoR and Hobo novice, especially someone who wants 
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > avoid
> > > > > > > > > > RoR coding
> > > > > > > > > >     * Technology leaders, architects, and evangelists
> > > > > > > > > >     * A Technically savvy manager/designer who wants to 
> > > > > > > > > > develop
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > not code
> > > > > > > > > >     * Advanced RoR developer who wants to go in a different
> > > > > direction
>
> > > > > > > > > > Our goal is to have the first 100 pages by February 1...
>
> > > > > > > > > > Stay tuned for more details.  To make this successful we 
> > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > > input and editorial feedback from all.  How we will do this 
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > > TBD.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Looking  forward to an exciting 2009!
>
> > > > > > > > > > Owen
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Dec 29, 5:31 am, Tom Locke <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>> While it would be nice to be able to use Hobo without 
> > > > > > > > > >>> Rails
> > > > > > > > > >>> experience, it really doesn't seem practical - Hobo *is* 
> > > > > > > > > >>> Rails,
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > >>> many parts. Trying to educate brand-new users about
> > > > > *everything*
> > > > > > > > > >>> seems doomed to repeat much of the Rails docs.
>
> > > > > > > > > >> Yes you would have to repeat a lot, but I'm not sure the 
> > > > > > > > > >> word
> > > > > > > > > >> "doomed"
> > > > > > > > > >> is warranted : ) In the world of docs, DRY is not a virtue.
>
> > > > > > > > > >> Although there's a lot in Rails that Hobo people need a 
> > > > > > > > > >> thorough
>
> > > > > > > > > >> grasp
> > > > > > > > > >> of, there's also lot that they don't need to know tons 
> > > > > > > > > >> about.
> > > > > E.g.
> > > > > > > > > >> routing. Or rather, it's not that you don't need to know 
> > > > > > > > > >> about
> > > > > > > > > >> routing, but it becomes an advanced topic rather than an
> > > > > essential
> > > > > > > > > >> one. The order of learning changes.
>
> > > > > > > > > >> The only way to give a seamless learning experience is for 
> > > > > > > > > >> a
> > > > > book/
> > > > > > > > > >> course/other on Rails and Hobo together. It is a lot of 
> > > > > > > > > >> work
> > > > > though.
>
> > > > > > > > > >> I'm hoping someone else will write that book!
>
> > > > > > > > > >> Tom- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
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