As I indicated in another thread, the right place to start a discussion on this would be in the IETF-IEEE 802 coordination that Dan leads.
While this issue may be solved be current work underway (and included in the coordination), perhaps a clearer problem statement would help us to ensure that is the case. Cheers, Glenn. From: Alia Atlas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 2:50 PM To: Acee Lindem (acee) Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson; Toerless Eckert (eckert); Homenet; Eric Gray; Glenn Parsons Subject: Re: [homenet] Despair Hi Acee, Thanks for the extra context. Mikael forwarded me the email thread and I've started one off-list including Dan Romascanu, who is very responsive and helps coordinate and liaise with the IEEE. I think we probably need a draft that describes the problems with reasonable detail first - and articulates the assumptions that are made on the link layer. That will help make sure that we and the IEEE understand the issues involved. Maybe that work can get coordinated with Mike McBride who's looking at this area for multicast protocols also. Thanks, Alia On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Alia, On Aug 5, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Alia Atlas <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Mikael, On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Toerless Eckert (eckert) wrote: Still sucks to tweak a routing protocol design for a broken l2 design (only unicast reliability provided for). In November 2014 when I asked the IETF upper "brass" and the IEEE liasion to tell IEEE that they need to make multicast and broadcast work on wifi because most L3 protocols rely on it, including IPv4 and IPv6. I don't know what happened after that, I didn't hear anything back. I asked multiple times. This is the first I've heard of your personal concern. I had sent E-mails to Eric Gray and Glenn Parsons at least twice on this topic but didn’t receive a response. Eric seems to be the correct contact: http://www.ietf.org/liaison/managers.html I guess we will need a formal liaison. Thanks, Acee However, the need to have multicast protocols work better did come up when we recently rechartered PIM. That turned into "4) Optimization approaches for IGMP and MLD to adapt to link conditions in wireless and mobile networks and be more robust to packet loss." There is a draft that I noticed was recently published https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mcbride-mboned-wifi-mcast-problem-statement/ I think that the issues need to be clearly articulated to hand work over to IEEE. Regards, I pinged them again just now, replying to the previous "ping" email on this issue from March 2015. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> _______________________________________________ homenet mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet _______________________________________________ homenet mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
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