Am I to interpret that response as a "no" to the question whether anyone has spoken to ICANN? Which would mean that the rejection of .home is based on an assumption?

bfn, Wouter

On 18/07/16 18:03, Ted Lemon wrote:

It could be seen as collusion. Remember, lawyers are much more creative in finding vulns than all but the most paranoid of security geeks. :)


On Jul 18, 2016 17:49, "Wouter Cloetens" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    On 18/07/16 17:01, Ted Lemon wrote:
    Yup.   In terms of minimizing risk to the IETF, switching to
    .homenet is expedient--that's why I put it in the Homenet
    Naming/Service Discovery Architecture doc.   Perhaps some homenet
    participants aren't aware of the issues surrounding this.
    The reason we are getting so much top-down push from IETF
    leadership on this is not that IETF leadership are being
    political--it's that there's a real cost to the IETF if one of
    the GTLD people decides that we have taken a name for which they
    paid an application fee.   I apologize for glossing over this in
    my earlier response.
    I'm a bit confused about this. Although Dothome Ltd. paid an
    application fee, they failed the initial evaluation. ICANN
    ultimately concluded in 2013 that .home was high risk, or "dead"
    in the terminology used in an article to which ICANN links.

    I can't reach this at the moment:
    https://icannwiki.com/.home
    So here's the Google cache:
    
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OdSc1uEzj_cJ:https://icannwiki.com/.home+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=de

    So, why would ICANN's gTLD people not be open to declaring .home
    to be off their list, and open for redefinition by IETF?


    If people are interested in better understanding this problem, I
    encourage you to read this:
    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tldr-sutld-ps-02#section-3
    " o IETF and ICANN independently have remit to assign names out of
    the namespace that Internet Names represent; a formal coordination
    process does not exist."

    Can't that be fixed? Has anyone tried to speak to / negotiate with
    ICANN?

    You can get more background by reading section 4 as well.   Bear
    in mind, s/.local/.home/ in section 4.2.4.

    On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Andrew Sullivan
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 03:33:28PM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson
        wrote:
        >
        > .HOME has not been handed out by ICANN yet

        There are several applications for home in the root zone.  To
        my mind,
        that means that home has been claimed as being inside the
        global DNS
        context, and therefore is not available under RFC 6761.

        Best regards,

        A



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