It would make an interesting experiment. On May 14, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Hans Pizka <[email protected]> wrote:
> Quite naive, William. The horns do not make it, but the player does > make a difference. But a very good player can be recognized no > matter what horn he is using. - And, do you think, really think, a > jury could not recognize the differences, even very light > differences between different players. It seems to me, that you > might calculate from your own hearing abilities, while the jury > members are experts (mostly). Their ears are sharpened by daily > exposition to listen each other so to blend better. > > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ### > ##################################################################### > Am 14.05.2010 um 00:24 schrieb [email protected]: > >> >> I am reminded of Ken Pope's experiment where he played three >> different horns for a blind panel and just about no one could tell >> them apart. >> >> -William >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Milton Kicklighter <[email protected]> >> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 11:06 am >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Non-Transposing stop mute/more like >> audition prep >> >> >> O for Gods sake!!!! Do you want to embarrass the audition >> committee, or God >> forbid the conductor!!!! :) >> >> Milton >> Have been on many audition committees >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:45:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Non-Transposing stop mute/more like >> audition prep >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> You know it just occurred to me. I wonder if an experiment could be >> conducted >> where there is a set list of audition pieces, a set blind panel, >> and instead of >> using live players one uses a high fidelity recording of only two >> or three >> players to see if the audition committee can tell a difference. >> >> Or use the same player who doesn't miss notes but plays things only >> slightly >> differently or on a different horn. >> >> Psychology tells me the results might be interesting. >> >> -William >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Luke Zyla <[email protected]> >> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:10 pm >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Non-Transposing stop mute/more like >> audition prep >> >> >> I recommend that everyone visit the website of Roger Rocco. He has >> excellent advice regarding audition preparation and brass playing in >> general. I had the pleasure of observing him give a lesson to my son >> recently. It was a very memorable experience. >> >> http://www.rogerrocco.com/ >> >> Luke Zyla >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Non-Transposing stop mute >> >> >>> >>> Considering the following: >>> >>> * There are usually 50x as many qualified players as there are >>> jobs, if >>> not more so >>> * Playing perfectly does not guarantee you win an audition >>> * And that little things like when you play, who you hear, and how >>> you >>> prepare can trip you up if you're not careful >>> * AND that even if you do play well the order which you play and >>> who you >>> are next to can have a psychological impact on the listening >>> committee >>> >>> I don't think that this level of sarcasm is particularly funny. We >>> play a >>> difficult instrument. No matter how good you are, you are never >>> guaranteed >>> a job at any audition. This is reality. I've seen it happen with >>> players >>> that could probably play the phone book if it was possible. >>> >>> Hans seems to think that I don't know how to prepare without even >>> asking >>> how I'm preparing. >>> Now you're assuming I'm such a beginner that I don't know which >>> end to >>> blow on? >>> >>> I'm pretty sure there are some real studies out there regarding >>> performance anxiety, etc. >>> >>> My post was assuming that ceterus parabus you show up well >>> prepared to an >>> audition and that you don't miss. >>> >>> Also, am I odd in that I actually prepare for an audition? Am I on >>> the >>> wrong planet? >>> >>> Let's face it. A lot of work has been done to make auditions as >>> fair as >>> possible. But they are not and NEVER WILL BE strictly objective. >>> There is >>> absolutely no way to remove all subjectivity from any audition. >>> And, until >>> you can you will always have to look at aspects that can affect >>> subjective >>> decisions. My point is (whether people admit it or not) that we >>> are never >>> going to avoid the psychological aspects of playing or auditions - >>> and >>> they DO have an effect on results. >>> >>> -William >>> >>> PS: If you were just being silly, I apologize. But it's very hard >>> to gauge >>> context over the internet. >>> >>> PPS: I also apologize for any "high-school slang" - since Hans >>> complained >>> about it and never once told me specifically what he was referring >>> to. I >>> probably won't drop that :) >>> >>> >>> Concerning audition preparation, here is a way to keep an advantage. >>> Horn components can be confusing. When you arrive at a particularly >>> particularly stressful audition and open your case there is danger >>> of >>> misidentifying all those component bells and whistles and mutes. >>> Beginners might want to copy the following rules onto a slip of >>> paper >>> and paste it inside the horn case: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Steve Haflich <[email protected]> >>> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 8:56 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Non-Transposing stop mute >>> >>> >>> Luke Zyla <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I ordered a non-transposing stop mute a couple of years ago to >>> give it a >>> try. (Best Brass) >>> I returned it for two reasons. The most important reason was that >>> I was >>> not >>> happy with the sound. It did not sound like stopped horn to me. >>> Secondly, >>> I could not get used to not transposing when using the mute. Old >>> habits >>> die >>> hard. Personally, I always prefer to use hand stopping. That is >>> the >>> sound >>> that composers have in mind, with the exception of some modern >>> composers. I >>> have a stop mute, but I use it very rarely. >>> >>> You are forgetting the most important use of the brass stopping >>> mute: >>> >>> Suppose your horn has become mushy and you suspect a leak somewhere. >>> You can place a small square of plastic wrap (e.g. "Saran Wrap" in >>> the >>> U.S.) over the wide end of the stopping mute, insert it tightly >>> in the >>> bell, and it will form a very tight seal. Blow into the lead pipe >>> and >>> you can either hear any escaping air, or else fill the horn with >>> cigarette smoke before inserting the mute (but _don't_ inhale) and >>> look >>> for escaping smoke when forcing air into the leadpipe end. >>> >>> ========== >>> >>> Concerning audition preparation, here is a way to keep an advantage. >>> Horn components can be confusing. When you arrive at a particularly >>> particularly stressful audition and open your case there is danger >>> of >>> misidentifying all those component bells and whistles and mutes. >>> Beginners might want to copy the following rules onto a slip of >>> paper >>> and paste it inside the horn case: >>> >>> (1) The _narrow_ end of the mouthpiece should be inserted into the >>> _narrow_ end of the horn. >>> >>> (2) When needed, the _narrow_ end of the straight mute should be >>> inserted into the _wide_ end of the horn. >>> >>> (3) When needed, the _wide_ end of the stopping mute should be >>> inserted into the _wide_ end of the horn. >>> >>> (4) Rule (1) is always applicable, but rules (2) and (3) are only >>> necessary for certain marked passages. >>> >>> (5) In any case, remember rules (2) and (3) cannot be effectuated >>> successfully at the same time. Some composers have occasionally >>> missed this limitation, but you are supposed to be a professional >>> horn player, so you cannot be forgetful about this. >>> >>> (1) (2) and (3) are the only wide/narrow combinations that work, >>> except >>> for rare special effects. Reviewing these rules before being >>> called on >>> stage will help get the beginner through the most stressful >>> audition. >>> I'm sure all members of the VPO could rederive these rules without >>> even >>> having to glance inside their cases -- but these are especially >>> experienced and gifted players. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> post: [email protected] >>> unsubscribe or set options at >>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> post: [email protected] >>> unsubscribe or set options at >>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40suddenlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
