"As another thought, maybe we horn players are self-conscious about what our horns look like and don't want them to look too abnormal when in reality most people outside of our section would never be able to tell the difference."
I think part of the problem lies with the limited experience of MOST (dare I say) of today's younger horn players. In HS they know Conn (8D is the ONLY horn), Holton (179, of course), or maybe Yamaha---all Kruspe wrap. Perhaps, if they study privately or in college they are exposed to various variations of the Geyer/Knopf wrap. Anything else is looked upon with great suspicion. I often show up for a gig with my CF Schmidt (is that a single ?) or my 1938 King 1155 (modified Sansone wrap 5-valve Bb single--Geyer's modification). Players even in their 40s and 50s simply have had NO experience with these and other non-standard designs. This is not to say that the better Kruspe and Geyer wrap horns are not excellent instruments but rather that there ARE other designs that can be used to make beautiful music. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] McCracken 8 Valve Single Bb >I tried to sketch out the idea (Vienna pumpen horns have 6 valves) and I >could see how it works, but if they're 8 rotor valves I'd really like to >see how they are arranged, if the concept really works, and if it improves >anything. > > I think the idea is to allow the air to go through all of the valves > regardless of what fingering you play so that valve combinations don't > 'feel' longer or different. But then again, when I have used a single Bb > for anything I rarely use any combinations of valves and most things can > be played with 1 or 2 or just 3 for 1 and 2. I like shorter horns wherever > possible. > > I'm surprised Hornplayer.net doesn't have a collection of odd valve > layouts or even better resolution photos of the V2. > > As another thought, maybe we horn players are self-conscious about what > our horns look like and don't want them to look too abnormal when in > reality most people outside of our section would never be able to tell the > difference. > > -William > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David A. Jewell <[email protected]> > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 11:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] McCracken 8 Valve Single Bb > > > I don't have a photo of it, does one even exist? However, I think I can > explain > > > > the concept after reading the archive. Each valve slide has an input and > an > > output valve, thus making for valves. I am presuming that the other two > valves > > are for a stopping or "C: valve. Think of each valve as one half of a > Vienna > > valve, where instead of two pistons each valve key has two rotors. > > > > It truly would be something to see. > > Paxmaha > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 5:07:54 PM > > Subject: [Hornlist] McCracken 8 Valve Single Bb > > > > I was randomly looking up horns and I came across a Hornplayer.net archive > > mentioning the bi-valve McCracken single Bb. > > > > I'm trying to work out in my brain how this is done, but I can't figure it > out. > > Does anyone have any photos of this thing? > > > > -William > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > post: [email protected] > > unsubscribe or set options at > > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > post: [email protected] > > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/lotp%40comcast.net > _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
