William,

The comparison between both came up implicating that the Vienna System  
should
have two valves combined for each tube elongation as the McCracken  
should have
with the two rotary valvesy combined.

Once more, you seem not being able  or willing to follow my arguments.

I said "nothing against innovations, but the best innovation will  
become impractzicable,
if it puts too much hazard to the player, better said, to the  
professional player, when have
to manage the alignement of two rotors, special minutes before a  
delicate performance, when the stress
impacts the players nerves anyway. The mis-alignement of a single  
rotor for 1/2 of a millimeter
can influence the attack of a delicate entrance most negatively.

This is the problem Not the maker, not the desigfn, not the  
construction, but again the HUMAN SOFTWARE.

It does not interest nobody, what others say about the playing  
conditions of a certain instrument, if tried out in the
artist manufacturers work studio, where everything can be adjusted  
instantly. But it interests the horn
community, what excellent players report after they have used this  
instrument "IN COMBAT".

Amateur opinion is not valid enough for professionals. Even you must  
understand that. We professional
have other criteria than those players who dont make a living by  
playing the horn.

Even you might be an excellent technician & a good past time horn  
player - I would never question that, how
could I - but to judge an instrument, you need more, special a  
permanent good embouchure.

Would you, as a good or very good amateur soccer player dare to stand  
with one the good
professional soccer teams, could you keep pace with them ? Surely not.

So it is good, if you out yourself with a certain opinion, which is  
respected by the community,
but stop attacking the professionals, if they produce their frank  
opinion about practility of this & that
in the horn-field. Please !!!

Accept, that there is a lot in the practical horn world, which you  
cannot know, things only known by us
professional, because we experienced all that on a multitude of  
occasions. Accept, that it makes a big difference
if one plays two hours every day (with exceptions) or if one plays 35  
hours a week or more for
twenty, thirty or 40 or 50 years.

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Am 10.07.2010 um 16:48 schrieb [email protected]:

> I know how the pumpenhorn valves work - and the McCracken is a  
> completely different concept.
>
> I do find it odd how I've heard absolutely nothing bad about this  
> configuration from those who have played it, and heavy skepticism  
> from those who haven't even seen it.
>
> -William
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]>
> To: The Horn List <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:02 am
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] McCracken 8 Valve Single Bb
>
>
> Paul & William,
>
>
>
> have you ever seen a Viennes valve - inside ? It is much simpler than
>
> a rotary valve.
>
> The difference is the fact, that the valves action is divided for
>
> inlet & outlet, which work as
>
> simultaneously activated pistons, which are assembled each other in
>
> the opposite way.
>
>
>
> The McCracken horn in question (have never seen it) should have two
>
> rotary valves, acting
>
> simultaneously. So the description. No opposition to innovations
>
> except if excess weight is
>
> loaded to the instrument. No opposition against innovations, if
>
> adjustments can be made
>
> by the player easily, adjustment to make perfect rotor alignement.
>
>
>
> Furthermore, connecting two rotary valves needs linkage, which will
>
> act with changing the direction
>
> of movement for 90 degrees twice at least. This is not the case with
>
> the Viennese valve (double piston).
>
>
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