Yes, Debbie, the business is on decline for a whole variety of reasons. I agree fully. Everything has become profane & commercial. Art in the true sense, where have you gone ?
Faster, higher, louder, crazier, sensational(er), more expensive, top, bigger etc. anything else than serious. ############################################################# Am 11.08.2010 um 17:31 schrieb Debbie Schmidt: > Actually Milton this is not an 802 issue. The ladies and gentlemen of any > orchestra collectively vote on and agree to a CBA. Same in Buffalo you are > in the end responsible for your destiny. The tenured members of an orchestra > vote on the contract not the whole of the union. > This is obviously a huge issue in town for a variety of reasons. > I think there is a big incentive to hire full time players stability is one > of the things that make great orchestras great. > The business is on the decline for a whole variety of reasons. > > > On 8/11/10 11:21 AM, "Milton Kicklighter" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I am surprised that local 802 would allow this difference in pay. If you are >> good enough to be hired for a NY Phil gig, then you should be paid the >> minimum >> wage the same as any full time player in the orchestra. The orchestra is >> already saving on the benefits paid for those part time musicians. And you >> are >> correct that there are many many wonderful players in 802 most of which could >> fill the positions full time. >> >> So???? what is the incentive to ever fill a position with a full time player >> when you can just hire part timers and save a bundle??? >> >> Another indication as to where the business is going. >> >> When I joined the Buffalo Phil in 1967 the orchestra was 87 musicians and we >> had >> a 38 week season. The management staff consisted of five people. Now the >> orchestra is 72 members and there is a 36 week season and the staff is around >> 30 >> people. What does that tell you guys and girls???? Is it anymore about the >> "music." Conductors, management and guest artist salaries have grown >> tremendously, while musician salaries have in many cases been going down or >> if >> they are lucky, have barely kept up with inflation. >> >> Just the opinion of a now retired horn picker. >> >> Milton >> Milton Kicklighter >> 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic >> Retired >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Debbie Schmidt <[email protected]> >> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 10:54:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] fitting in as part of getting a job >> >> Sure subs use to be paid the same as a section fiddle player, or said >> another way, minimum contractual salary for the Philharmonic. Now subs >> (those hired on a week to week basis) get paid based on the CBA for >> freelance orchestras in NY about 25-30% less per week. Once they hire you >> for the season (I would need to check if there is a stipulation for long >> term other then the season) you are paid at the minimum Philharmonic rate. >> There are a whole set of issues arising around wanting people for the season >> but unwilling to commit for the season because of the increase in pay. >> >> >> >> >> On 8/11/10 10:45 AM, "Avrum H. Golub, M.D., J.D." <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> What are the two tiers, Debbie? >>> Avrum >>> >>>> From: Debbie Schmidt <[email protected]> >>>> Reply-To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:34:51 -0400 >>>> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] fitting in as part of getting a job >>>> >>>> Dan and it is cheaper since the Philharmonic went to a 2 tier pay system. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/11/10 10:26 AM, "PatentDan Feigelson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hans, did you see the article last month in the New York Times about the >>>>> large >>>>> number of vacancies in the NY Philharmonic (not just in the horn >>>>> section)? It >>>>> could have been written by you. The article mentioned that it's not a >>>>> lack >>>>> of >>>>> talented players but more a matter of finding someone who will fit into >>>>> the >>>>> section that has resulted in so many vacancies. If anything, the number >>>>> of >>>>> talented musicians in New York means the Philharmonic can take its time >>>>> filling the vacancies, since finding a substitute or extra for any >>>>> particular >>>>> series isn't difficult. >>>>> >>>>> DJF >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> post: [email protected] >>> unsubscribe or set options at >>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/jasoncat%40aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo. >> com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/jasoncat%40aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
