Tim,

what you did with my letter, is like forging a letter using the letter of 
another person. 
You could have replied & corrected a wrong word, off course, and I would be 
thankful. 
But not this way.

Replying to a letter & commenting it needs a clear separation  of the comments 
from the 
given text, by different fonts or other or a new letter, so even the most 
foolish can recognize
it.

I come more & more to the result, that a lot of (special) younger folks lack 
proper 
education, education much needed for a peaceful & fruitful live-together.

We call folks using other people´s intellectual property without permission
"Trittbrettfahrer". Not a nice term at all.
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Am 13.01.2011 um 18:41 schrieb Tim Kerwin:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]>
> To: The Horn List <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 9:17:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Mozart Horn Concerti
> 
> Jay, your arguments are like from a fairy´s tale or arguments of sophistery, 
> nothing else. You seem claiming rights, if they will benefit you. All the 
> other 
> people do have no rights on their propriety. (See Google) This is mere 
> nonsense.
> 
> It is not a matter of being sued or not, it is a matter of fairness each other
> not to use other peoples propriety without proper permission. 
> 
> PROPERTY, NOT PROPRIETY, IS THE ISSUE HERE. Being sued has certainly been a 
> matter of proprietary ownership, e.g., copy written material. Courts and 
> lawyers 
> have hammered out the regulations governing these matters. Owning an 
> auto-graph 
> score or painting engenders rights of property owners but not to reproduction 
> of 
> a likeness even if it is a digital copy. Entering a private residence or 
> restricted space without permission is an obvious violation. 
> 
> It is unfair absolutely, just to copy from another persons propriety &
> load it up or use it for ones own publications without permission.
> 
> If public domain (in this case Mozartian manuscripts) is used for a 
> publication
> the permission of the owners granted, it is to be seen as a part of this 
> actual
> new publication, which is copyright protected.
> 
> I doubt, if included pictures (reproductions) of the the originals can be 
> reproduced
> by a third party & used for the third party´s own publication. They may be 
> used, 
> in fact. Access, however,  to privately owned material in public domain may 
> be 
> denied
> 
> This is a misunderstanding of "public domain". Public domain does not say, 
> that 
> the
> pieces or creations or art belong to the public. The use of the content is 
> generally
> permitted, if things are public domain, but within the limitations given by  
> the
> real owners. This would be access to the original
> 
> Well, using the content of a public domain piece as a source for a new 
> publication,
> this is according to the law, no question. Using a van Gogh painting as 
> inspiration
> & example for ones own painting or just paint a copy using ones own brush & 
> paints, 
> 
> well, agreed, as this would be another creation similar to a new edition of a 
> piece
> of music, where editing must be recognizable.
> 
> But just going the easiest way to digital-copy what´s available on the market 
> including
> internet source, that´s not what lawmakers had in mind. [?]Personal opinion, 
> not 
> relevant 
> 
> Fairness seems to be a strange word within the younger generation and only 
> valid, if it
> affects ones own rights. Very funny and absurd. 
> 
> If you visit an exhibition of art or else, where photographing is prohibited, 
> you better obey this rule, 
> as you might be in big trouble in certain countries even being arrested. At 
> minimum
> your camera might be confiscated. Why ? Because of many people with a similar 
> view as
> yours ! You will have no legal tool to get your camera back ever. It might 
> even 
> be that
> you become imprisoned for (say) four to six weeks because of espionage and 
> released 
> 
> finally & expelled from that country. But the four or six weeks in prison 
> will 
> be a severe 
> 
> lesson for you, not worth the few pictures taken without permission, just 
> because you
> thought you had the right to make them.
> 
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> 
> Am 13.01.2011 um 06:55 schrieb Jay Anderson:
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:49 PM, David A. Jewell <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> No but if they are owned by a private individual or even a corporate entity 
>>> such
>>> as a library they own the mechanical and electronic reproduction rights.  
> Just
>>> the same as they own the right to tell people no photographs of the inside 
>>> of
>>> their home it that's how they want it.
>> 
>> If the material is not under copyright then the only way an owner
>> cannot prevent someone from copying the source is to not provide
>> access to it. An owner does not have any sort of reproduction rights
>> to public domain material. Often individuals, libraries and other
>> institutions make people sign agreements stating that they will not
>> reproduce the material, but if you do the most they can do is revoke
>> your access to any other materials that they own. (I guess they could
>> also come after you for breach of contract, but I'm not sure what the
>> result would be of that. What damages did they incur?)
>> 
>>> Your are correct - it isn't copyright, but ownership rights.   Say you 
>>> owned 
>> a
>>> VanGogh.  I visit you and take a photo of it, and then disseminate it on the
>>> internet without your permission or  knowledge. Same thing as what people do
>>> with music autographs  - I own it, I get to say who sees it. I agree that 
>>> it 
>> is
>>> mostly a healthy thing to be able to study these great resources in the ways
>>> that the internet enables us to, but to take what belongs to a private
>>> individual and disseminate without their permission is electronic theft.
>> 
>> I've never heard of 'ownership rights' with regard to copying. That
>> why we have copyright laws. If I owned a van Gogh and you took a
>> picture and disseminated it without my permission you would be well
>> within your rights to do so since the work is in the public domain.
>> 
>> Also we need to be careful with the word theft. Copying a copyrighted
>> work is copyright infringement. In law copyright infringement is not
>> theft as it does not deprive the original from the owner.
>> 
>> -----Jay
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