I agree with Hans on this. Musicianship is not some ethereal, magical thing 
 that is mysterious. It's something pretty definite, and something that can 
be  taught and learned. 
 
The biggest thing I don't like to hear regarding musicianship is the idea  
that it somehow can't be taught. It sort of goes back to a general 
epistemology  - can you figure something out, or are you going to stand back 
and say 
"gee I  don't know", or worse yet, invent an answer that isn't even true 
just so you  stop looking?
 
If we stopped at the ether theory of matter, or astrology, we would have  
never figured out how things really worked. Thankfully we didn't.
 
With enough hard work, you might very well be the next Radovan or ver  
Meulen. Then again, you might not - but it won't happen with a lot of 
dedication 
 and a lot of knowledge from those who know how to do it. I liken it to 
running a  marathon. You may never be the fastest marathon runner in the world. 
But,  history is rife with people that trained properly of all shapes and 
sizes and  who ended up running many marathons under three hours. (But, 
nobody is going to  fault you for not being the next Dennis Brain or Paula 
Radcliffe if it doesn't  make you happy.)
 
-William
 
 
In a message dated 2/11/2011 5:35:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[email protected] writes:

Musicianship requires a lot:

very good ear, perhaps acquired  perfect pitch, perhaps
superb rhythmic sense
very good objective  taste

plus: listen, listen, listen
plus: store the listened musical  pieces well, so to find the data for 
reproduction purpose
plus: musical  understanding, acquired by reading scores & hear they 
realized to  sound
the same time, but no musical instrument touched & no record  player of any 
type turned on.

plus: understanding the arts in general,  developing a sense of symmetry, 
progression 
& tension & relax;  understanding colors & setting them into relation to  
acoustical
sensations (sounds).

plus: performance technique,  performance routine, performance discipline

plus: comprehensive  knowledge about the music writing (composing) system, 
harmonic 
system,  bigger phrasing to the mini phrasing.

plus: being exposed to music from  the very early years of life

A very good teach has all this & is  able to transfer it to the students & 
motivate them
to follow his or  her example, using their brain &  phantasy.

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Am  11.02.2011 um 10:25 schrieb Lawrence Yates:

> I'm not sure you can  teach musicianship but you can, to a point, teach a
> damn good  imitation.  I had a colleague who taught some very unmusical 
kids
>  to produce what sounded like very musical performances - they couldn't  
feel
> anything, but they could follow instructions to the letter.   Whether that
> ever turned into what I think we are calling  musicianship, I don't know.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>  Lawrence
> 
> On 11 February 2011 09:14, Ralph Hall  <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>  Ralph R. Hall
>> [email protected]
>> Ralph R.  Hall
>> http://www.brasshausmusic.com
>> 
>> I have  just written two articles attempting to answer the question:
>> 'Can  you teach musicianship'?
>> 
> -- 
>  Lawrenceyates.co.uk
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