Hi William,

I cannot visualise your Schmidt and my suggestion is not a panacea,  
but I have seen a ring (similar to that which pulls out a second valve  
slide) soldered on to the back of the thumb valve to accommodate a  
small hand. A quick application of the soldering 'iron' and it removes  
it for the next user.

Ralph R. Hall
On 5 Jun 2011, at 03:06, [email protected] wrote:

>
>
>
> I'm one that finds it difficult to give up a challenge, so here's  
> what I did a few minutes ago...
>
> 1) I took my thumb and placed it so that it would depress the change  
> valve precisely
> 2) I left my thumb on the valve and naturally arched my fingers  
> while tilting my hand slightly
> 3) I tried to see if there was a natural arc I could use while  
> keeping the thumb valve useful AND while hitting the spatulas
>
> Unfortunately, with this method, the fingers in their arc would not  
> even hit the valve spatulas
>
> So, it seems to me that even if I had a strap to hold the hand in  
> the right place, it will be VERY uncomfortable to play, just as it  
> is now, since playing on the thigh/leg somewhat (cheating) puts  
> weight off of my left hand enough to position it almost anywhere I  
> want - it's just not desirable.
>
> Out of curiosity, I looked at my other non Schmidt horn (which is  
> very comfortable) and the thumb is no problem at all there. The  
> range is measurably closer. So, I tried this out:
>
> 1) I ignored the thumb change valve on the Schmidt
> 2) I placed my fingers where they'd naturally land on the valve  
> spatulas
> 3) I moved my thumb to where it was most comfortable
>
> Where that position is, there's really no way as far as I can see to  
> attach any mechanism to use the thumb valve without using some  
> creative mechanisms. Also, I've measured the distance between the  
> 1st valve spatula and thumb valve compared to my hand, and even with  
> aquarter inch of improvement either way I'm still stuck up the river
>
> This leaves me to a few conclusions:
>
> 1) The modifications I'd have to make could end up being really  
> creative or really extensive to get it to work
> 2) I'd rather not modify a Geyer Schmidt - as there are some horns  
> in my opinion one shouldn't modify from the original.
> 3) It's not so much the size of the hand, but the distance between  
> the index finger and the tip of the thumb, and what sort of arc one  
> can make between the two
> 4) Maybe I have mutant hands.
>
> Plus, if someone else ever got the horn, they'd likely have to  
> reverse engineer it to make it work for them.
>
> -William
>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Sanner <[email protected]>
> To: horn <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sat, Jun 4, 2011 8:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Schmidt pistons and small hands
>
>
> Sam Ramsay built & affixed a small shelf-like thing to his Schmidt. It
> was made of wood and covered with carpet scraps. I don't remember how
> it was held on. Maybe it was cable ties. It was completely removable
> and reversible, however.
>
> The shelf supported the heel of the hand so that the thumb was
> actually in the right position to operate the change valve. Sam's
> Schmidt, with gizmo attached, was as comfortable to play as any horn,
> and more comfortable than some. Like you, I have very small hands;
> most women have larger hands than I do.
>
> Eva Heater (?) once emailed me that she had a bean bag-like thing that
> she taped to her Schmidt with gaffer's tape or suchlike. She sent me a
> JPG, lost in a hard disk crash. The purpose was much the same as Sam
> Ramsay's shelf, to support the heel of the hand. She said it worked
> well. If she's still on the list, and if I've remembered her name
> right, maybe she'll chime in.
>
> I share your like of Schmidts, everything but the ergonomics. I wish
> I'd been more aggressive in trying to persuade Sam to sell me his. I
> don't know what happened to it after he died. If I thought I could fix
> the disastrous ergonomics I'd have bought a Schmidt long since.
>
> HTH.
>
> Howard Sanner
> [email protected]
>
> "Pessimists are surprised as often as optimists, but always
> pleasantly"--The Giant Rat of Sumatra, by Richard L. Boyer, p. 61.
>
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