Sorry Klaus,

I cannot access it here from Munich. "This video is not available in your 
country !".

is the only I get from your & Peters link.
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Am 14.07.2011 um 18:43 schrieb Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre:

> First of all: I am strongly biased against this arrangement, which I find 
> boring. So I may come out unfair.
> 
> And I am not Norwegian, even if I was in the middle of guiding a talented 
> young Norwegian tubist friend, who does not fit entirely with the non-musical 
> elements of a stiff education system. Just had sent the last mail.
> 
> The video appears being by a combination of two ensembles. The Norwegian 
> radio light orchestra, which has double woodwinds, 4-3-3-1 brasses, and 
> chamber orchestra strings. And then the salsa band of the arranger.
> 
> To me the said valved trombone look-alike actually is a cimbasso. I cannot 
> tell the pitch for sure, as I cannot see the amount of tubing in the body. 
> But from the length of the 1st and 5th loops I would assume it is in F with a 
> set up very similar to a very common set-up of German style F tubas augmented 
> with a very useful trigger for the 5th slide.
> 
> The valve loops are distributed very much like with a 5 valve single Bb of 
> the Sansone type (my own sample is a very well in tune Hoyer engraved B&S to 
> circumvent a contract about exclusive distribution in Denmark - GDR makers 
> cheated a lot on their own distributors). The 4 first valves have these 
> intervals: 1/1 - 1/2 - 3/2 - 5/2. Where the horn stopping valve normally has 
> a loop equal to about 3/4 step the tuba 5th valve normally has a 5/4 step 
> loop. Not to be used on its own. The point is that the 4th + 5th loops shall 
> lover the tuba a perfect fifth.
> 
> As for multi ethnicity: I see a lot of Asians in some American orchestras 
> also. The few ones I know of here have either been adopted from early 
> childhood or have married Danes. We have very few musicians directly out of 
> Africa, but during the Vietnam war a lot of American jazz musicians came 
> here. Strict drug laws in the US also made some come here. Most were somewhat 
> older than me and most are dead by now. And now we fight the same wars as the 
> US and our drug laws have been tightened also. I welcome the latter more than 
> the former.
> 
> 
> I just now see Hans’ reply. This video is not illegal by any other standards 
> than good musical taste. This one even has been uploaded by the arranger. so 
> i guess copyrights are OK. The link here is slightly shortened down to its 
> basic form:
> 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_sSnLmJN78>
> 
> Klaus
> 
> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Peter Hirsch <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:42 PM
>> Subject: [Hornlist] Something not related to tonguing or scams
>> 
>> OK, it isn't particularly related to horn, but I'll try anything to
>> kill off the internecine trivia wars currently going on.
>> 
>> If you are geezer enough, you will instantly flash on Walter Murphy's
>> Fifth of Beethoven when you see this. If not, it really doesn't
>> matter. What I am particularly curious about, though, is what appears
>> to be some sort of vertical bass or contrabass valve trombone (maybe a
>> cimbasso - Klaus, what say you?) that is featured several times.
>> 
>> http://youtu.be/3_sSnLmJN78
>> 
>> It also strikes me as kind of amusing to watch a Norwegian orchestra
>> with numerous Asian, Latino and Afro members playing this piece of
>> pseudo salsa (and I am not just referring to the extra percussion
>> players). I know that we have had many discourses on this list on the
>> loss of national sound and style in orchestras nowadays. I think this
>> is kind of an illustration that it is beyond discussion at this point.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> 
>> Peter Hirsch
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