It is indeed a cimbasso. The local opera orchestras tubist has one and uses it for Puccini and the like. Paxmaha
________________________________ From: Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre <[email protected]> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Something not related to tonguing or scams First of all: I am strongly biased against this arrangement, which I find boring. So I may come out unfair. And I am not Norwegian, even if I was in the middle of guiding a talented young Norwegian tubist friend, who does not fit entirely with the non-musical elements of a stiff education system. Just had sent the last mail. The video appears being by a combination of two ensembles. The Norwegian radio light orchestra, which has double woodwinds, 4-3-3-1 brasses, and chamber orchestra strings. And then the salsa band of the arranger. To me the said valved trombone look-alike actually is a cimbasso. I cannot tell the pitch for sure, as I cannot see the amount of tubing in the body. But from the length of the 1st and 5th loops I would assume it is in F with a set up very similar to a very common set-up of German style F tubas augmented with a very useful trigger for the 5th slide. The valve loops are distributed very much like with a 5 valve single Bb of the Sansone type (my own sample is a very well in tune Hoyer engraved B&S to circumvent a contract about exclusive distribution in Denmark - GDR makers cheated a lot on their own distributors). The 4 first valves have these intervals: 1/1 - 1/2 - 3/2 - 5/2. Where the horn stopping valve normally has a loop equal to about 3/4 step the tuba 5th valve normally has a 5/4 step loop. Not to be used on its own. The point is that the 4th + 5th loops shall lover the tuba a perfect fifth. As for multi ethnicity: I see a lot of Asians in some American orchestras also. The few ones I know of here have either been adopted from early childhood or have married Danes. We have very few musicians directly out of Africa, but during the Vietnam war a lot of American jazz musicians came here. Strict drug laws in the US also made some come here. Most were somewhat older than me and most are dead by now. And now we fight the same wars as the US and our drug laws have been tightened also. I welcome the latter more than the former. I just now see Hans’ reply. This video is not illegal by any other standards than good musical taste. This one even has been uploaded by the arranger. so i guess copyrights are OK. The link here is slightly shortened down to its basic form: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_sSnLmJN78> Klaus >________________________________ >From: Peter Hirsch <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:42 PM >Subject: [Hornlist] Something not related to tonguing or scams > >OK, it isn't particularly related to horn, but I'll try anything to >kill off the internecine trivia wars currently going on. > >If you are geezer enough, you will instantly flash on Walter Murphy's >Fifth of Beethoven when you see this. If not, it really doesn't >matter. What I am particularly curious about, though, is what appears >to be some sort of vertical bass or contrabass valve trombone (maybe a >cimbasso - Klaus, what say you?) that is featured several times. > >http://youtu.be/3_sSnLmJN78 > >It also strikes me as kind of amusing to watch a Norwegian orchestra >with numerous Asian, Latino and Afro members playing this piece of >pseudo salsa (and I am not just referring to the extra percussion >players). I know that we have had many discourses on this list on the >loss of national sound and style in orchestras nowadays. I think this >is kind of an illustration that it is beyond discussion at this point. > >Enjoy, > >Peter Hirsch >_______________________________________________ >post: [email protected] >unsubscribe or set options at >https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/paxmaha%40yahoo.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
