Hi Will Thanks again for your engagement. This explains why even HOT Preset [1] seemed to me outdated.
2015-05-20 0:18 GMT+02:00 Will Skora <skorasau...@gmail.com>: > Regarding Point #1, your identification of the popular tags used in HOT > activations that aren't well documented but have been used often would be > appreciated. Even that I'm an experienced OSM member I can't give you this list since I only looked at Nepal taginfo instance (see my other thread). But what I can do is to compile a list from looking at pages like [3] [4]. And I can just observe that [3] contains an abundance of tags not used in Nepal and other activations; and that [4] is very informative - but no single tag is specified or documented in the wiki. What I would propose is 1. to declare this wiki page [2] the main HOT tags page; 2. to discuss within HOT team members the list I compiled below (which is mainly based on [4]) 3. and to update and merge sources [3] [4] in to main HOT tags page [2] (which should then marked as outdated or be deleted). Cheers, Stefan [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/HDM_preset [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Background [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disaster-specific_tags Disaster-Specific tags (mainly from [4]) ---------------------------------------------------------- Generic/mandatory main tag: * damage:event=* Generic/important auxiliary tag: * operator:type=private • government • community Physical: * Collapsed building * Unstable Ground/Land slide * Flooded Ground * Damaged Bridge Human: * Red Cross/Red Crescent First Aid Station * Temporary hospital * Meeting point * Refugee camp * Shelter * Temporary desalination station * Stand pipe * Food distribution point * Fuel distribution point * News wall/Lost and found information * Morgue * Common grave Emergency Services * Food depot * Fuel depot * Temporary airfield * Helicopter landing zone * Heavy lifting equipment depot * Supplies warehouse * Temporal political * Search-and-Rescue sectors, Military controlled zones * Closed border * Exclusion zones, Uprising zones, Riot-prone zones 2015-05-20 0:18 GMT+02:00 Will Skora <skorasau...@gmail.com>: > I'll admit that a small proportion for my decline in participation a among > other factors, since there was minimal interest from others in the HOT > community. > > I tentatively plan on being at the meeting > > On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Stefan Keller <sfkel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> I'd like to help and my proposal is >> 1. to collect and identify most common tags specific to HOT >> 2. to mention and document them in Wiki page "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1] > > > Regarding Point #1, your identification of the popular tags used in HOT > activations that aren't well documented but have been used often would be > appreciated. > > I think there's been the tendency where attention and participation moves to > another crisis after some time even if its not intentional. As a result, any > new tags or tagging schemas aren't incorporated into a larger scheme like > the HOT/HDM preset. > > The HOT/HDM preset page - https://github.com/hotosm/presets - hasn't been > maintained much in the past couple and I sometimes wonder if its still used > by many people. Heck, a couple of my pull requests (which aren't > controversial) have sat without any response in two years. > The lack of response and lack of visible use is a small reason that I > haven't contributed as much as I had in the past (the largest reason, a full > time paid job in an unrelated field). > > As Springfield mentions, there's a few tags in there that don't make sense, > but the intention was not only just for a crises but for lower income > communities in areas that hadn't been represented in OpenStreetMap and > communities that have experienced crises in the past), and to grow > OpenStreetMap communities who use tags that don't have an obvious connection > to crises. > > Lastly, Suzan, I did see your request and offer of annotating pictures for a > tagging guide in a particular area like Nepal! I hope that it is mentioned > at tomorrow's meeting! > > Regards, > Will > >> >> So, to begin collecting the candidates, I only foumd these two: >> * damage:event=* >> * operator:type=private • government • community >> >> The "idp:camp_site=spontaneous_camp" is already sub-specific to a >> disaster event. >> >> Any others tag or key candidates? >> >> Yours, S. >> >> >> >> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags >> >> 2015-05-15 22:13 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com>: >> > >> > Hi Stefan, >> > >> > HOT (and OSM) tagging has grown and evolved since we first started 5 or >> > 6 >> > years ago that is for sure. And given the somewhat intermittent >> > participatory nature of OSM and the wiki things can for sure get out of >> > sync. >> > >> > We would welcome any assistance with updating, streamlining and >> > regularizing >> > HOT's tagging and tagging guidance and underlying data model if need be. >> > It >> > is a big project for the folks in and out of HOT who developed and >> > maintain >> > it. >> > >> > It was through gentle ;) feedback from the OSM community that we have >> > started use some more planned tagging schemes you mentioned so there is >> > yet >> > time for some of that to catch up. >> > >> > I am excited for us to roll up our sleeves and give the tagging, >> > guidance, >> > data model and rendering a timely review and updating. At the moment >> > many in >> > HOT are concentrating on working with our fellow travelers in Nepal (and >> > DRC >> > and Vanuatu and Guam and South Sudan and Nigeria and several other >> > places >> > unfortunately), but when that begins to thankfully be less of an urgent >> > matter several of us look forward to joining you fully in the process. >> > >> > And like I said, any reorganization or updating and streaming in the >> > wiki >> > you could help us with in the mean time will be very welcome and >> > appreciated. If you have any questions please just ask them here on the >> > mailing list but under a different email thread so it is less confusing >> > talking about something that has nothing to do with this thread. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Blake >> > >> > >> > On 5/15/2015 8:43 PM, Stefan Keller wrote: >> >> >> >> Salut Pierre, hi Will, dear leading HOT members, hello all >> >> >> >> 2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr >> >> <mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr>> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on how >> >>> to >> >>> both respond quickly and assure data quality. >> >> >> >> >> >> I really appreciate your work and the work of all contributors. So >> >> excuse me if I'm little bit too harsh now. >> >> >> >> I'm trying to to collect the minimal common set of HOT tags for >> >> specifying a renderer, for future use and for OSM quality in general. >> >> >> >> Will already answered finally in an earlier post (thanks!) - but I'm >> >> sorry to say: What we (OSM) now have in HOT pages is a tag mess since >> >> years! >> >> >> >> Please correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps there a process on tagging >> >> mailing list I'm missing? Here's what I found: >> >> >> >> To me the potential main HOT tag page is "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1]. >> >> This page is very "orphaned" - it has been edited twice since 2013(!?). >> >> It prominently points to "Humanitarian_Data_Background" as "An >> >> up-to-date list of tags for HOT" - being a page which has been updated >> >> 3.5 years ago (!?). >> >> >> >> Then I see that no single wiki page with Nepal in its title - including >> >> "2015_Nepal_earthquake" [3] - is pointing to Humanitarian_OSM_Tags, >> >> whereas the Nepal_remote_mapping_guide [4] mainly lists the usual main >> >> tags (like building=yes, natural=wood|water, water=*, waterway=river, >> >> waterway=stream, landuse=farmland). >> >> >> >> I would expect at least to see tags like damage:event and idp:camp_site >> >> - being top 20 in [6] - to show up in any wiki page related to tags >> >> mentioned above. >> >> But these aren't even mentioned in the wiki except somehow in [4] - but >> >> which was declared outdated 2013. >> >> >> >> How can we clean up this under-documented mess and "tag soup" at least >> >> for a small common set of tags? >> >> >> >> Yours, S. >> >> >> >> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags >> >> [2] >> >> >> >> >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Background >> >> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake >> >> [4] >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging >> >> [5] >> >> >> >> >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model >> >> [6] http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys >> >> _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
