Hi Sizan Photos are nice and instructional - but we first have to agree on _what_ tags are relevant and how they are defined roughly.
-S. 2015-05-20 6:41 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed <[email protected]>: > Hi Will and all, > > Do bring up my volunteering to annotate photos with tags in the meeting. I > won't be able to attend, unfortunately. > > Please also note Katja's gallery. Katja and I both have design expertise and > we are interested in putting together photos to help orient mappers to the > areas being mapped. She wants to focus on the gallery, I want to focus on > annotating tags to photos. Of note, in the #1048 - Nepal Earthquake, 2015, > Tanahu Task, many buildings are not being mapped because the roofs are dark > brown, oval, and thatched in that area of Nepal. Also some buildings there > are round or a combination of both, so photos are really useful. > > Just a quick note on community. Through the past weeks I've met wonderful > people through HOT. This is a welcoming and vibrant community. > > Cheers! > > Suzan > > > On May 19, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Will Skora wrote: > > I'll admit that a small proportion for my decline in participation a among > other factors, since there was minimal interest from others in the HOT > community. > > I tentatively plan on being at the meeting > > On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Stefan Keller <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'd like to help and my proposal is > 1. to collect and identify most common tags specific to HOT > 2. to mention and document them in Wiki page "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1] > > Regarding Point #1, your identification of the popular tags used in HOT > activations that aren't well documented but have been used often would be > appreciated. > > I think there's been the tendency where attention and participation moves to > another crisis after some time even if its not intentional. As a result, any > new tags or tagging schemas aren't incorporated into a larger scheme like the > HOT/HDM preset. > > The HOT/HDM preset page - https://github.com/hotosm/presets - hasn't been > maintained much in the past couple and I sometimes wonder if its still used > by many people. Heck, a couple of my pull requests (which aren't > controversial) have sat without any response in two years. > The lack of response and lack of visible use is a small reason that I haven't > contributed as much as I had in the past (the largest reason, a full time > paid job in an unrelated field). > > As Springfield mentions, there's a few tags in there that don't make sense, > but the intention was not only just for a crises but for lower income > communities in areas that hadn't been represented in OpenStreetMap and > communities that have experienced crises in the past), and to grow > OpenStreetMap communities who use tags that don't have an obvious connection > to crises. > > Lastly, Suzan, I did see your request and offer of annotating pictures for a > tagging guide in a particular area like Nepal! I hope that it is mentioned at > tomorrow's meeting! > > Regards, > Will > > > So, to begin collecting the candidates, I only foumd these two: > * damage:event=* > * operator:type=private • government • community > > The "idp:camp_site=spontaneous_camp" is already sub-specific to a > disaster event. > > Any others tag or key candidates? > > Yours, S. > > > > [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags > > 2015-05-15 22:13 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot <[email protected]>: >> >> Hi Stefan, >> >> HOT (and OSM) tagging has grown and evolved since we first started 5 or 6 >> years ago that is for sure. And given the somewhat intermittent >> participatory nature of OSM and the wiki things can for sure get out of >> sync. >> >> We would welcome any assistance with updating, streamlining and regularizing >> HOT's tagging and tagging guidance and underlying data model if need be. It >> is a big project for the folks in and out of HOT who developed and maintain >> it. >> >> It was through gentle ;) feedback from the OSM community that we have >> started use some more planned tagging schemes you mentioned so there is yet >> time for some of that to catch up. >> >> I am excited for us to roll up our sleeves and give the tagging, guidance, >> data model and rendering a timely review and updating. At the moment many in >> HOT are concentrating on working with our fellow travelers in Nepal (and DRC >> and Vanuatu and Guam and South Sudan and Nigeria and several other places >> unfortunately), but when that begins to thankfully be less of an urgent >> matter several of us look forward to joining you fully in the process. >> >> And like I said, any reorganization or updating and streaming in the wiki >> you could help us with in the mean time will be very welcome and >> appreciated. If you have any questions please just ask them here on the >> mailing list but under a different email thread so it is less confusing >> talking about something that has nothing to do with this thread. >> >> Cheers, >> Blake >> >> >> On 5/15/2015 8:43 PM, Stefan Keller wrote: >>> >>> Salut Pierre, hi Will, dear leading HOT members, hello all >>> >>> 2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on how to >>>> both respond quickly and assure data quality. >>> >>> >>> I really appreciate your work and the work of all contributors. So >>> excuse me if I'm little bit too harsh now. >>> >>> I'm trying to to collect the minimal common set of HOT tags for >>> specifying a renderer, for future use and for OSM quality in general. >>> >>> Will already answered finally in an earlier post (thanks!) - but I'm >>> sorry to say: What we (OSM) now have in HOT pages is a tag mess since >>> years! >>> >>> Please correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps there a process on tagging >>> mailing list I'm missing? Here's what I found: >>> >>> To me the potential main HOT tag page is "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1]. >>> This page is very "orphaned" - it has been edited twice since 2013(!?). >>> It prominently points to "Humanitarian_Data_Background" as "An >>> up-to-date list of tags for HOT" - being a page which has been updated >>> 3.5 years ago (!?). >>> >>> Then I see that no single wiki page with Nepal in its title - including >>> "2015_Nepal_earthquake" [3] - is pointing to Humanitarian_OSM_Tags, >>> whereas the Nepal_remote_mapping_guide [4] mainly lists the usual main >>> tags (like building=yes, natural=wood|water, water=*, waterway=river, >>> waterway=stream, landuse=farmland). >>> >>> I would expect at least to see tags like damage:event and idp:camp_site >>> - being top 20 in [6] - to show up in any wiki page related to tags >>> mentioned above. >>> But these aren't even mentioned in the wiki except somehow in [4] - but >>> which was declared outdated 2013. >>> >>> How can we clean up this under-documented mess and "tag soup" at least >>> for a small common set of tags? >>> >>> Yours, S. >>> >>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags >>> [2] >>> >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Background >>> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake >>> [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging >>> [5] >>> >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model >>> [6] http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys >>> > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
