I think we are agreed that squaring individual buildings is a hassle for the validators.
Do I hear that selecting all buildings with less than 7 nodes and squaring/resquaring them all at once is acceptable although not ideal? Thanks John On 14 April 2016 at 04:15, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > It would be far better to add a tool comparable to buildings-tools plugin > to iD. We should have proposed that for GSoC2016... well, maybe next year. > > Jo > > 2016-04-14 9:47 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed <[email protected]>: > >> JOSM is the tool to use, I agree. However I did become somewhat of an iD >> power user and so I just tried to square a number of polygons at once >> rather than one at a time. I tried many variations including selecting all >> of them and then trying to apply the “s” tool and grouping them. Nothing >> worked. Maybe the iD team could add that to iD? Then new mappers could then >> square all their buildings in one go when the mistake is pointed out. It >> would be quite useful. Squaring buildings in either iD or JOSM is a >> thankless and tedious task. >> >> Cheers! >> Suzan >> >> >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 11:01 PM, Ralf Stephan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I might be missing something but what's wrong with selecting all >> buildings in JOSM via Search (check if there are huts selected or 45-degree >> buildings of course) and then do a mass orthogonalization? That would be >> part of a validation workflow and could even be automated. >> >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 7:48 AM Jo <[email protected]> wrote: >> If you want a building squared at 45 degrees in JOSM, for some reason, >> you can start with a closed way with 8 nodes, then use the circle tool. >> >> Or you can press 'a' twice, allowing you to add the next part of a way at >> 15 degree angle intervals. It's possible to create really nice geometric >> shapes using this method. >> >> One has to know the tool one is working with. >> >> When people insist on working with iD, it's necessary to tell them (over >> and over again) about the importance of doing the extra step of squaring >> the rectangular buildings. For one thing, it makes using JOSM's extrude >> tool easier, if it's needed to improve the building. >> >> I understand that, as a validator, it's extremely tedious to square all >> those buildings, even when using the todo plugin and pressing ]q]q]q]q]q] >> hundreds of times. You could invalidate the tiles which contain mostly >> unsquared buildings. Or you could just leave them alone, post a remark to >> the user and validate the tile anyway. Better that than becoming burned out >> as a validator. >> >> I've been trying to get people to understand how much work it is to >> validate their tiles, when buildings are not squared by creating >> screencasts and posting a link to it in the comment field. This was rather >> effective, but it still is rather time consuming and there are always new >> users coming in, which, for some reason, were not trained with JOSM the >> power tool, but with iD instead. >> >> Anyway, those screencasts were also meant as a way to show people the >> advantages of using JOSM, but I don't know if I have been very successful >> at getting them to start using it. It's hard to make people switch to >> something new, which is why I'll be teaching only JOSM, this Saturday (also >> because I don't know iD all that well, ofc). I failed to follow up, as I >> moved on to other projects that gave me more satisfaction (as a validator). >> >> Polyglot >> >> 2016-04-14 4:15 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed <[email protected]>: >> How about showing people how to map a building and square it right at the >> beginning of mapping? It’s all one motion for me. >> >> Just a suggestion! >> >> Suzan >> >> >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Clifford Snow <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think >> they weren't using JOSM and the building-tool. I could be wrong, the same >> mapper also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to be the >> same as a building image. Again it is perfectly possible to do this in >> JOSM to draw such a shape and tag it area=yes, though why anyone with JOSM >> and the building_tool plugin would do such a thing I can't imagine. >> >> I'm asking a pragmatic question given that I'm seeing so many unsquared >> buildings when validating is it essential they be squared? and if so how >> do we get squared buildings? >> >> From my experience with hosting Missing Maps and HOT mapathons many of >> the mappers are first time contributors. We try to get them mapping as >> quickly as possible. After a period of time we introduce new techniques, >> such as squaring buildings and copy paste. The behavior you observed may be >> the lack of training. If its possible to find out if the mapper attended an >> event and if so who organized it to give gentle constructive feedback to >> the host. (Hopefully it wasn't one of ours) >> >> Clifford >> >> >> -- >> @osm_seattle >> osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us >> OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >
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