Thank you Pete. Any other input on squaring buildings in validation? Note I'm not asking how to square a building just what to do when a validator is faced with 500 unsquared buildings.
Thanks Cheerio John On 14 April 2016 at 07:58, Pete Masters <[email protected]> wrote: > From my side, I would support that proposal, John… > > > > Pete > > > > *Pete Masters* > Missing Maps Project Coordinator > MSF UK > phone: +44 7921 781 518 > > skype: pedrito1414 > > twitter: @pedrito1414 <https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps> > > > @theMissingMaps <https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps> > facebook.com/MissingMapsProject > <https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject> > > > > missingmaps.org <http://www.missingmaps.org/> > > msf.org.uk <http://www.msf.org.uk/> > > > > *From:* john whelan [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* 14 April 2016 12:42 > *To:* Jo Hannes > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Squared buildings > > > > I think we are agreed that squaring individual buildings is a hassle for > the validators. > > Do I hear that selecting all buildings with less than 7 nodes and > squaring/resquaring them all at once is acceptable although not ideal? > > Thanks John > > > > On 14 April 2016 at 04:15, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > > It would be far better to add a tool comparable to buildings-tools plugin > to iD. We should have proposed that for GSoC2016... well, maybe next year. > > > > Jo > > > > 2016-04-14 9:47 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed <[email protected]>: > > JOSM is the tool to use, I agree. However I did become somewhat of an iD > power user and so I just tried to square a number of polygons at once > rather than one at a time. I tried many variations including selecting all > of them and then trying to apply the “s” tool and grouping them. Nothing > worked. Maybe the iD team could add that to iD? Then new mappers could then > square all their buildings in one go when the mistake is pointed out. It > would be quite useful. Squaring buildings in either iD or JOSM is a > thankless and tedious task. > > Cheers! > Suzan > > > > On Apr 13, 2016, at 11:01 PM, Ralf Stephan <[email protected]> wrote: > > I might be missing something but what's wrong with selecting all buildings > in JOSM via Search (check if there are huts selected or 45-degree buildings > of course) and then do a mass orthogonalization? That would be part of a > validation workflow and could even be automated. > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 7:48 AM Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > If you want a building squared at 45 degrees in JOSM, for some reason, you > can start with a closed way with 8 nodes, then use the circle tool. > > Or you can press 'a' twice, allowing you to add the next part of a way at > 15 degree angle intervals. It's possible to create really nice geometric > shapes using this method. > > One has to know the tool one is working with. > > When people insist on working with iD, it's necessary to tell them (over > and over again) about the importance of doing the extra step of squaring > the rectangular buildings. For one thing, it makes using JOSM's extrude > tool easier, if it's needed to improve the building. > > I understand that, as a validator, it's extremely tedious to square all > those buildings, even when using the todo plugin and pressing ]q]q]q]q]q] > hundreds of times. You could invalidate the tiles which contain mostly > unsquared buildings. Or you could just leave them alone, post a remark to > the user and validate the tile anyway. Better that than becoming burned out > as a validator. > > I've been trying to get people to understand how much work it is to > validate their tiles, when buildings are not squared by creating > screencasts and posting a link to it in the comment field. This was rather > effective, but it still is rather time consuming and there are always new > users coming in, which, for some reason, were not trained with JOSM the > power tool, but with iD instead. > > Anyway, those screencasts were also meant as a way to show people the > advantages of using JOSM, but I don't know if I have been very successful > at getting them to start using it. It's hard to make people switch to > something new, which is why I'll be teaching only JOSM, this Saturday (also > because I don't know iD all that well, ofc). I failed to follow up, as I > moved on to other projects that gave me more satisfaction (as a validator). > > Polyglot > > 2016-04-14 4:15 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed <[email protected]>: > How about showing people how to map a building and square it right at the > beginning of mapping? It’s all one motion for me. > > Just a suggestion! > > Suzan > > > On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Clifford Snow <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan <[email protected]> > wrote: > Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think they > weren't using JOSM and the building-tool. I could be wrong, the same > mapper also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to be the > same as a building image. Again it is perfectly possible to do this in > JOSM to draw such a shape and tag it area=yes, though why anyone with JOSM > and the building_tool plugin would do such a thing I can't imagine. > > I'm asking a pragmatic question given that I'm seeing so many unsquared > buildings when validating is it essential they be squared? and if so how > do we get squared buildings? > > From my experience with hosting Missing Maps and HOT mapathons many of the > mappers are first time contributors. We try to get them mapping as quickly > as possible. After a period of time we introduce new techniques, such as > squaring buildings and copy paste. The behavior you observed may be the > lack of training. If its possible to find out if the mapper attended an > event and if so who organized it to give gentle constructive feedback to > the host. 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