Are non squared building really a big deal, apart from visually? Can we not live at least initially with building as traced?
Cheers Chris On 14/04/16 at 07:42am, john whelan wrote: > I think we are agreed that squaring individual buildings is a hassle for > the validators. > > Do I hear that selecting all buildings with less than 7 nodes and > squaring/resquaring them all at once is acceptable although not ideal? > > Thanks John > > On 14 April 2016 at 04:15, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It would be far better to add a tool comparable to buildings-tools plugin > > to iD. We should have proposed that for GSoC2016... well, maybe next year. > > > > Jo > > > > 2016-04-14 9:47 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed <[email protected]>: > > > >> JOSM is the tool to use, I agree. However I did become somewhat of an iD > >> power user and so I just tried to square a number of polygons at once > >> rather than one at a time. I tried many variations including selecting all > >> of them and then trying to apply the “s” tool and grouping them. Nothing > >> worked. Maybe the iD team could add that to iD? Then new mappers could then > >> square all their buildings in one go when the mistake is pointed out. It > >> would be quite useful. Squaring buildings in either iD or JOSM is a > >> thankless and tedious task. > >> > >> Cheers! > >> Suzan > >> > >> > >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 11:01 PM, Ralf Stephan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I might be missing something but what's wrong with selecting all > >> buildings in JOSM via Search (check if there are huts selected or 45-degree > >> buildings of course) and then do a mass orthogonalization? That would be > >> part of a validation workflow and could even be automated. > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 7:48 AM Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If you want a building squared at 45 degrees in JOSM, for some reason, > >> you can start with a closed way with 8 nodes, then use the circle tool. > >> > >> Or you can press 'a' twice, allowing you to add the next part of a way at > >> 15 degree angle intervals. It's possible to create really nice geometric > >> shapes using this method. > >> > >> One has to know the tool one is working with. > >> > >> When people insist on working with iD, it's necessary to tell them (over > >> and over again) about the importance of doing the extra step of squaring > >> the rectangular buildings. For one thing, it makes using JOSM's extrude > >> tool easier, if it's needed to improve the building. > >> > >> I understand that, as a validator, it's extremely tedious to square all > >> those buildings, even when using the todo plugin and pressing ]q]q]q]q]q] > >> hundreds of times. You could invalidate the tiles which contain mostly > >> unsquared buildings. Or you could just leave them alone, post a remark to > >> the user and validate the tile anyway. Better that than becoming burned out > >> as a validator. > >> > >> I've been trying to get people to understand how much work it is to > >> validate their tiles, when buildings are not squared by creating > >> screencasts and posting a link to it in the comment field. This was rather > >> effective, but it still is rather time consuming and there are always new > >> users coming in, which, for some reason, were not trained with JOSM the > >> power tool, but with iD instead. > >> > >> Anyway, those screencasts were also meant as a way to show people the > >> advantages of using JOSM, but I don't know if I have been very successful > >> at getting them to start using it. It's hard to make people switch to > >> something new, which is why I'll be teaching only JOSM, this Saturday (also > >> because I don't know iD all that well, ofc). I failed to follow up, as I > >> moved on to other projects that gave me more satisfaction (as a validator). > >> > >> Polyglot > >> > >> 2016-04-14 4:15 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed <[email protected]>: > >> How about showing people how to map a building and square it right at the > >> beginning of mapping? It’s all one motion for me. > >> > >> Just a suggestion! > >> > >> Suzan > >> > >> > >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Clifford Snow <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think > >> they weren't using JOSM and the building-tool. I could be wrong, the same > >> mapper also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to be the > >> same as a building image. Again it is perfectly possible to do this in > >> JOSM to draw such a shape and tag it area=yes, though why anyone with JOSM > >> and the building_tool plugin would do such a thing I can't imagine. > >> > >> I'm asking a pragmatic question given that I'm seeing so many unsquared > >> buildings when validating is it essential they be squared? and if so how > >> do we get squared buildings? > >> > >> From my experience with hosting Missing Maps and HOT mapathons many of > >> the mappers are first time contributors. We try to get them mapping as > >> quickly as possible. After a period of time we introduce new techniques, > >> such as squaring buildings and copy paste. The behavior you observed may be > >> the lack of training. If its possible to find out if the mapper attended an > >> event and if so who organized it to give gentle constructive feedback to > >> the host. 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