James, Regarding why not host meetings virtually: Because we all already have some online contacts and resources, and there are already online meetups that fill this need.
Online meetings and Skype are great for simple transfer of knowledge and presentation, but a Meetup group is so much more than that. You aren't going to make friends and deep personal connections with someone who is just 1 of 20 people being presented to in an online presentation. There is a valid argument for *also* providing the resources online to those who can't make it in person, but that's a different discussion. --Ken On Aug 2, 2017 3:53 PM, <james.tho...@bakerbotts.com> wrote: That’s what I don’t get – this is 2017 – why not meet virtually via Skype, Slack, Discord, etc. – sure, human interaction is fun and all, but you have a greater chance of everyone attending, and you can share docs and present just like you would if everyone met in person. *From:* houcfug@googlegroups.com [mailto:houcfug@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John M Bliss *Sent:* Wednesday, August 2, 2017 3:16 PM *To:* houcfug@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [houcfug] Coldfusion DEAD Question Sure! Come on over! I live in Fort Myers and my "local" CFUG is http://www.cfug-sfl.org which used to meet 150 miles across Alligator Alley in Miami. Now, they meet virtually. On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Gary McNeel <gary.mcn...@gmail.com> wrote: Ok, so the first meeting is hosted by John in Florida! On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 12:59 PM, John M Bliss <bliss.j...@gmail.com> wrote: I wish. I enjoy lurking here but I moved to Florida. On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Ken Auenson, II <ken.auen...@gmail.com> wrote: Since we are having the most active discussion in a while, I was wondering if anyone would be up for reviving the local, in person, meetings for the group? I would gladly host meetings anytime at The Humble Makers (makerspace in NE Houston). This is at 59N and 1960, so not as convenient for some... But there are a lot of people in North Houston or who don't mind making the drive, so I thought I would put this question out there... On Aug 2, 2017 12:37 PM, "charlie arehart" <charlie_li...@carehart.org> wrote: And Gary, as for google results often being old ones, well, consider first that some answers from back then may be as good now as then. Indeed, google ranks a result based on (among many other things of course) how often people open it and then don’t proceed to open another in the given search result list. They figure if people don’t go to another, it must be authoritative (or at least adequate). Sadly that does mean that sometimes old, stinky answers do remain popular, despite being outdated. This is of course not unique to CF, but it adds to the situation you observed. And not taking away from Billy’s reasonable observations, there is a lot more positive about CF than you usually hear. As John pointed out, this whole week Adobe is giving several webinars on various facets of CF2016. The recording will be posted likely next week. And the first one was an overview by the Product Manager, Rakshith, where he both addressed your very concerns, and also highlighted recent improvements, and touted what’s planned for CF2018. But he also pointed out a point that few seem to realize: that CF adoption has grown by 20% on average between 2012 and 2017. That is an acknowledgement that while of course some have left CF (for all the aforementioned reasons in this thread and others, some justified and some perhaps misinformed/chicken little), clearly more have ADOPTED CF than have left it. You don’t hear that ever that sort of positive observation in any of the long-winded discussions which inevitably arise when this question is debated, which as Steve noted has sincerely been going on since the early 200’s. It’s great when there can be a reasoned discussion, as is happening here. It’s just too bad that it often happens elsewhere with only overwhelming negativity from those who either have left or feel compelled to persuade all listeners that “any thinking person” should. There are indeed more affirming points, like the Adobe CF Summit conference in Nov which grows in size each year. But there are surely plenty of challenges. I’m just saying it’s not as bad as many/most seem to want to make it out to be. BTW, as for the jobs issue I addressed that, pointing to resources offering hundreds of them (still today), in a recent post: http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2007/3/11/ FInding-ColdFusion-Jobs /charlie *From:* houcfug@googlegroups.com [mailto:houcfug@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary McNeel *Sent:* Wednesday, August 2, 2017 05:40 AM *To:* Houston ColdFusion Users' Group <houcfug@googlegroups.com> *Subject:* Re: [houcfug] Coldfusion DEAD Question Yes, that is what I see. I guess, as a non-hardcore-developer, more of an idea/product manager type, I find it perfect for my needs. Sadly, there may not be many of 'me' out here. At Jacob's I began to see the move to SharePoint withing NASA and moved us to .NET, which took some doing, as everyone, for the most part, was CF. But, like you, I missed many of the convenient bits and found the added complexity of .NET, in someways, more time consuming. Thanks for the lucid reply. I will keep doing my first pass on this app in CF, asking you guys for help as long as people monitor the group ;) and if it works okay hire someone to move it to another language. Regards, Gary -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. 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