I remember a few years ago at the Internet Retailers Conference (mostly e-commerce focused, generally CIO level) I walked over to the giant Adobe booth (they were pitching their all-in-solution or whatever it was), mentioning I was a Adobe ColdFusion UGM, and the sales rep there looked at like if I had said I was the UGM for Adobe Zanzabar it would have made as much sense.
Billy Cravens On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Gary McNeel <gary.mcn...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is great information. I am going to continue to mockup and launch the > site using CF for now. I have it all running and the hosting company > supports it (up to 11 I think). For me it is quick and easy compared to > what we do in .NET. I will, however, be asking you guys some questions that > will seem easy to you and appreciate any help. As I said earlier, I am not > a hardcore developer and am more focused on creating a good starting point > that I hope will get traction and then hire in the real developers, perhaps > converting it to something different if it makes sense. So expect to see a > little more activity from the group for a bit. > > Thanks for all the feedback. Adobe has not been good about letting me know > about anything - ever. That includes all the CC stuff. I do have to admit > it is getting better. I have gotten a few emails, but they are not related > to Coldfusion. > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:12 AM, John M Bliss <bliss.j...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > As an example even though I have all those licenses related to my >> primary work email account, I can't think of a single notification about >> what John pointed out. >> >> Yes! The *only* reason I found out about it is that I subscribe to >> http://blogs.coldfusion.com >> >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Aaron Rouse <aaron.ro...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I wonder how they judge an adoption percentage. Since 2012 due to a >>> couple of things(mainly us mothballing old Windows operating systems but >>> also some internal changes that require us to go to newer versions of Java >>> and in turn CF more times than not) I personally have signed off on at >>> least half a dozen if not a dozen CF license purchases. These were not >>> upgrades to new versions of CF, because the old versions we had running >>> were too old to qualify for an upgrade, so brand new purchases. Just seems >>> like a lot of factors that Adobe would know nothing about at play here, not >>> like they ever sent me a survey pre or post purchase to even try to gather >>> some data. >>> >>> One thing that always bugs me is Adobe's failure to really notify >>> existing customers of much to anything. As an example even though I have >>> all those licenses related to my primary work email account, I can't think >>> of a single notification about what John pointed out. I can recall some >>> notifications about the CF conference they have later this year as well as >>> ones about Adobe products we do not even use. Heck I had no idea CF2016 >>> came out until I got an email from the Adobe licensing site saying my >>> purchase was complete or some cryptic wording like that, I had to log in >>> and see what in the world were they notifying me about and THEN see it was >>> about new version of CF due to the many Platinum support packages we >>> maintain and I am a contact on those too. Some more communication sure >>> could go a long way here, the current level makes it feel like they have >>> zero interest in the product and just treat it as a cash cow until the cow >>> finally kills over and dies. >>> >>> -- >>> Admiral Aaron Rouse >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 12:37 PM, charlie arehart < >>> charlie_li...@carehart.org> wrote: >>> >>>> And Gary, as for google results often being old ones, well, consider >>>> first that some answers from back then may be as good now as then. Indeed, >>>> google ranks a result based on (among many other things of course) how >>>> often people open it and then don’t proceed to open another in the given >>>> search result list. They figure if people don’t go to another, it must be >>>> authoritative (or at least adequate). >>>> >>>> Sadly that does mean that sometimes old, stinky answers do remain >>>> popular, despite being outdated. This is of course not unique to CF, but it >>>> adds to the situation you observed. >>>> >>>> And not taking away from Billy’s reasonable observations, there is a >>>> lot more positive about CF than you usually hear. As John pointed out, >>>> this whole week Adobe is giving several webinars on various facets of >>>> CF2016. The recording will be posted likely next week. >>>> >>>> And the first one was an overview by the Product Manager, Rakshith, >>>> where he both addressed your very concerns, and also highlighted recent >>>> improvements, and touted what’s planned for CF2018. >>>> >>>> But he also pointed out a point that few seem to realize: that CF >>>> adoption has grown by 20% on average between 2012 and 2017. That is an >>>> acknowledgement that while of course some have left CF (for all the >>>> aforementioned reasons in this thread and others, some justified and some >>>> perhaps misinformed/chicken little), clearly more have ADOPTED CF than have >>>> left it. >>>> >>>> You don’t hear that ever that sort of positive observation in any of >>>> the long-winded discussions which inevitably arise when this question is >>>> debated, which as Steve noted has sincerely been going on since the early >>>> 200’s. It’s great when there can be a reasoned discussion, as is happening >>>> here. It’s just too bad that it often happens elsewhere with only >>>> overwhelming negativity from those who either have left or feel compelled >>>> to persuade all listeners that “any thinking person” should. >>>> >>>> There are indeed more affirming points, like the Adobe CF Summit >>>> conference in Nov which grows in size each year. But there are surely >>>> plenty of challenges. I’m just saying it’s not as bad as many/most seem to >>>> want to make it out to be. >>>> >>>> BTW, as for the jobs issue I addressed that, pointing to resources >>>> offering hundreds of them (still today), in a recent post: >>>> >>>> http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2007/3/11/FInd >>>> ing-ColdFusion-Jobs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> /charlie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* houcfug@googlegroups.com [mailto:houcfug@googlegroups.com] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Gary McNeel >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 2, 2017 05:40 AM >>>> *To:* Houston ColdFusion Users' Group <houcfug@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [houcfug] Coldfusion DEAD Question >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, that is what I see. I guess, as a non-hardcore-developer, more of >>>> an idea/product manager type, I find it perfect for my needs. Sadly, there >>>> may not be many of 'me' out here. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At Jacob's I began to see the move to SharePoint withing NASA and moved >>>> us to .NET, which took some doing, as everyone, for the most part, was CF. >>>> But, like you, I missed many of the convenient bits and found the added >>>> complexity of .NET, in someways, more time consuming. Thanks for the lucid >>>> reply. I will keep doing my first pass on this app in CF, asking you guys >>>> for help as long as people monitor the group ;) and if it works okay hire >>>> someone to move it to another language. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston >>>> ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. >>>> To unsubscribe, send email to houcfug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to houcfug+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston >>> ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. >>> To unsubscribe, send email to houcfug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to houcfug+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston >> ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. >> To unsubscribe, send email to houcfug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to houcfug+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Warm Regards, > Gary McNeel > 713-962-0885 <(713)%20962-0885> > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston > ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. > To unsubscribe, send email to houcfug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to houcfug+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. 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