I wouldn't agree with this statement. 

On matte papers the Ultrachrome inks have a larger gamut than any 
other ink including K3.  Especially where deep colors are involved.  
This has been my experience when comparing profiles for equivolent 
papers.  I would rate matte papers this way when it comes to gamut:

Ultrachome (Epson 4000, 9600)- best
K3 (Epson 4800, 9800)- Second best
Lucia (Canon IPF line) - Third best 
Vivera (Z3100 line) - Fourth best

It should be noted that the Canon and Vivera may have more potential 
when ink seperations (mixing) are improved in the driver but as of 
now it looks like this is the order by total gamut volume on a given 
matte paper.

If you are talking photo paper it would probably go (guess): Lucia, 
K3, Vivera, Ultrachome but I haven't done as much testing on glossy 
and satin profiles on equivolent papers.

-Jonathan

--- In [email protected], "john dean" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> I wouldn't expect them to equal the Canon but hopefully comes close 
to
> Ultrachrome. Epson doesn't equal Canon gamut either. The HP has 
twice
> the longevity of the others and that is significant. I've never
> thought Ultrachrome permanent enough, so I spray with toxic uv 
sprays.
> As long as the gamut is acceptable for most situations that is fine
> with me.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "Jon Canfield" <jon@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "john dean"
> <deanwork2003@> wrote:
> > >
> > > How is the color gamut looking for you guys on the Z3100? There 
were
> > > some posts on the Luminous Landscape site that people were 
complaining
> > > about dull reds on matte papers. I think that is bunk but I just
> > > wanted to check. There could also have been inconsistent inks 
out
> > > there, but that seems unlikely. 
> > > 
> > > John
> > >
> > 
> > The reds and yellows don't extend quite as far as they do on the
> Canon iPF for the same 
> > paper, but I don't see anything that I'd consider "dull" in hue or
> saturation.
> > 
> > Jon Canfield
> > author "RAW 101"; "Print Like a Pro"; Photo Finish"; "The Digital
> SLR Guide"
> >
>




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