I concede that makes it harder, but it's common to include off premise
conduct as well.
As it happens I've just listened to ep 1 again. I'm nearly certain this
discussion is HPR worthy content according to that first episode.
One more note before I go back into my Nyquil induced coma. I came
across an old article about a sexual harassment claim by Bjork. While
I'm not ready to convict someone without trial, there's a line I think
sums up my position nicely.
FTA: "She explained that she was able to recover from the experience,
but that she was concerned "other actresses working with the same man
did not."
On 12/17/19 7:49 AM, Mike Ray wrote:
Yes, but if I have this right, the trolls are not doing this in our
house. I am sure comments on the HPR site are adjudicated and removed
if they are offensive.
If podcasters are being trolled on email, or on some platform totally
outside the control of HPR then the transgression is not "in our house."
As such the HPR community has no way of stopping it, and just talking
about it at length just "feeds the trolls."
On 17/12/2019 12:37, jason wrote:
"Victims, just shrug it off. That's what I do." Strikes me as one of the
attitudes that's been part of the problem that's been allowed to persist
for far too long. Not everyone or every situation is the same.
Again, the point isn't to stop people from being bad actors. It's to
address how we as HPR will respond when they are.
You can't control what people do outside your house but you can set
rules for conduct inside your house. Even then you can't control what
someone does in your house, but you sure can control how you respond
when someone violates the rules inside you house.
That's the point.
On 12/17/19 4:34 AM, Mike Ray wrote:
For my two pen'orth )sorry, English idiom)...
There has already been too much discussion about this on here.
There is nothing anybody can do to stop anybody on the internet being
trolled, whether it is on Twitter, Facebook, on a mailing list or
anywhere else.
Its annoying, and often downright sinister and disturbing.
But talking about it and wringing your hands at length is just 'feeding
the trolls'.
I suggest everybody just shrugs it off and moves on.
Even a 'code of conduct' is a way of letting the trolls know they are
making an impact.
I get trolled regularly on Twitter because I dictate most of my Tweets
and IOS often types 'to' when it should type 'too', or 'there' when it
should plainly be 'their'. Something like that is too stupid to even
waste a breath over.
This abuse might be far worse than that, but it is still done from afar,
and talking about it is exactly the troll food they want.
On 16/12/2019 21:57, Jannik Wesley Pruitt via Hpr wrote:
Very sad CoC should be changed
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Begin forwarded message:
From: lostnbronx <[email protected]>
Date: 14. December 2019 at 16:52:42 CET
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Hpr] Harassment
When you think about it, it's surprising we haven't had this problem
before. Unless we did, and it just wasn't brought to light.
Can we assume the harassment source was from within the community, and
not just from random trolls on the Internet? I think removing email
addresses of hosts is a great first step, at any rate.
A CoC would give the admins the power to act without having to seek
community consensus on every incident. It would also provide clear
guidelines for community members and admins alike regarding how to
behave, and what will happen if you don't.
It makes me sad that we need this, but I guess we were overdue.
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