Wow. I'm so glad anarch0re started this thread. I had no idea.
We do now keep the original unbranded audio and it's available on the
Internet Archive. It would be possible to create an "unbranded feed"
from that.
It may fix the problem for some shows, but there are still a lot of
hosts that send in shows with the intro and outro already included.
On the main feed can switch the default outro to a quieter one. Tell me
which you would like.
Ken.
On 2021-10-17 20:51:29, Jason Dodd wrote:
lol@To be honest unsubscribing from HPR sounds like a euphemism, like
"shuffling off this mortal coil"
That is kinda true for me, too.
I'm still firmly on the side of not caring much about production
quality. Not again looking for an easy way to eliminate the jarring
change in volume. But it't not something that would make me
unsubscribe. That being said, hpr wouldn't make my top 100 list of
things to go to sleep to.
I think it's interesting that there are TV channels and various
'profesional" streaming applications which have the same issue. Maybe
this problem is harder to solve than it looks on the surface. I
typically fall asleep to TV and it does irritate me when commercials are
so much louder than the show.
On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 2:18 PM Andrew Conway <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I am a nocturnal podcast listener mainly because it's the only time
I have to listen properly. I cannot work, code, write or even
exercise and listen to speech properly. Also my daytime podcast
bandwidth went down drastically when my daily commute ended some
years ago. (I imagine that's become much more common for people in
the last year or so.) This means that music that might wake me up
puts me off listening to particular podcasts and so the HPR theme is
a problem for me, but not so much that I would ever unsubscribe. (To
be honest unsubscribing from HPR sounds like a euphemism, like
"shuffling off this mortal coil" :)).
If a musicless feed existed, as klaatu suggests, or a more gentle
version of the theme was the outro's default, I would definitely
listen to more HPR shows. That said, I wouldn't want to create more
work for folk if I am only part of a small minority.
Andrew
On Sun, 17 Oct 2021, 18:41 Klaatu, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Interestingly, my own podcast, GNU World Order, has gotten a few
emails from
people over the years who say they fall asleep to podcasts, as well.
Many people identify strongly with the "brand" of a podcast by
its intro and
outro music. However, other people find the almost subliminal
chatter about
tech soothing and relaxing.
We could consider releasing a special feed without music, but
that would not
guarantee a relaxing listen. An HPR host might add loud sound
effects or
music, or shout, or whatever, to their show independent of the
intro and outro
music.
I've been looking into ways of doing a no-music feed for my own
show, but so
far everything requires a bunch of extra steps that I'm not
willing to do
myself. The reason I'm able to release a show so often is that
most of the
posting process is automated, so I can afford no extra steps.
I believe the same is true for HPR.
Point is, this is something to consider, and if I come up with
an brilliant
ideas for separating music from voice in an easy way, I'll let
the admins
know.
-klaatu
On Monday, 18 October 2021 5:49:55 AM NZDT Ken Fallon wrote:
> Hi anarch0re
>
> Thanks for getting in touch. I replied to the list but you
can feel free
> to reply to me directly.
>
> See my comments inline.
>
> On 2021-10-16 23:39:05, anarchore via Hpr wrote:
> > Hi;
> >
> > There was a community news show about a month ago during
which the
> > producers remarked that there was a plateau in subscribers.
> >
> > I have a suggestion that may improve this attrition rate...
I and I'm
> > sure a lot of others listen to podcasts to wind down while
going to sleep.
>
> Ouch ! The community news is putting you to sleep. That hurts !
>
> Joking aside I doubt that most people use HPR to go to sleep. The
> variety of shows on HPR is so different you would want to be
on your
> guard when listening. For example I will only listen to a
Dave Morriss
> or tuturto show if I'm wide awake - focused - and at a
computer with
> access to the shownotes. I'll only listen to klaatus shows if
I have a
> cup of coffee beside me.
>
> The purpose of HPR is not to put people to sleep, it's to get
them up,
> thinking, hacking, & recording shows with a goal of Sharing
Knowledge !
>
> > The intro song is loud, low bitrate sounding trumpet
chiptune fanfare,
> > which is fine. The thing is, the shows are often recorded
at a low
> > volume level so the volume must be adjusted upward to hear
them... then
> > after being soothed by a soft spoken hacker voice, the
blaring, loud
> > chiptunes are blasted again at the end of the show.
>
> Fair point and you're not the only one that mentioned this.
>
> We have several volunteers who will help us clean up the
audio and help
> the host improve their setup. We will on occasion farm the
poor audio
> out to auphonic.com <http://auphonic.com> to see if they can
fix it.
>
> However you don't mention which show in particular you are
having a
> problem with. Or do you feel that this is a problem with all
of them ?
>
> Not knowing what shows are having issues we can't tell if
it's a issue
> with the source audio, the processing or the transcoding.
>
> If it's the Community News show then we can do something
about it as it
> is directly under my control as I am the one producing it. I
will ensure
> that the intro and outro of next months one is added and leveled
> manually. I would like you to give your feedback on the
efforts afterwards.
>
> If it's another show then can you get in touch with me
directly so that
> we can see if we can address the issue.
>
> If you do feel that the audio is poor, there is something
that you can
> do to help the project out and that is to report it to us
*before* it
> hits the main feed.
>
> There is no need for any audiophile to suffer in silence.
Just subscribe
> to the Future Feed and provide admin@hpr with feedback on the
shows
> audio. If there are issues there we can try and fix them
before it hits
> the main feed.
>
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/syndication.php
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/syndication.php>
>
> > This has woken me up from sleep many times. I can only
imagine the
> > consternation from headphone users.
> >
> > I'm sure this has led to many rage-unsubscriptions by those
less level
> > headed than I.
>
> I doubt that. The audio on HPR has been consistently variable
since it's
> inception. We should be seeing a consistent rate of
rage-unsubscriptions
> as well. The dip beg
>
> I imagine most people skip the outro entirely.
>
> > There is a much more mellow sounding intro that is the same
tune at a
> > lower volume, that is used sometimes. If there must be an
outro song,
>
> Yes there must be as we need to provide feedback on how you can
> contribute a show to the project.
http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php>.
>
> > this should be it, and the loud blaring fanfare tune should
be only used
> > at the beginning.
>
> There are several intros and outros available, which one are your
> referring to and I'll put it in ?
>
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/media/theme-music/
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/media/theme-music/>
>
> As your use case is (I feel at least) pretty unique, I'd love
you do
> record a show telling us all about it. Don't forget to
introducing
> yourself, and tell us of your journey to HPR.
>
> Feel under absolutely zero pressure to send in a show. I mean
it would
> be great if you could as we are running low on shows in the
queue, and
> have a call for shows open. But as I say don't let the fact
that every
> single HPR show you are using to go to sleep to has been
contributed by
> someone very much like yourself who rather than just consumed
content,
> took the brave step to themselves become a - let me say -
hero of sorts.
> If you *do* decide to contribute, it's easy just nip over to
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/calendar.php
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/calendar.php> for more information.
>
> Hope to _hear_ from you soon ;-)
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
> http://kenfallon.com <http://kenfallon.com>
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