We could make it a policy to request shows without music, and just resolve to attach the intro and outro ourselves (as we do already, as needed) for our Music feed. Then by default, we would be getting shows that would go straight to our Music-less feed.
Speaking as one of the hosts who "bakes in" the intro and outro music, I'd be happy to stop doing that in the interest of making separate feeds available. -klaatu On Monday, 18 October 2021 8:07:38 AM NZDT Ken Fallon wrote: > Wow. I'm so glad anarch0re started this thread. I had no idea. > > We do now keep the original unbranded audio and it's available on the > Internet Archive. It would be possible to create an "unbranded feed" > from that. > > It may fix the problem for some shows, but there are still a lot of > hosts that send in shows with the intro and outro already included. > > On the main feed can switch the default outro to a quieter one. Tell me > which you would like. > > Ken. > > On 2021-10-17 20:51:29, Jason Dodd wrote: > > lol@To be honest unsubscribing from HPR sounds like a euphemism, like > > "shuffling off this mortal coil" > > > > That is kinda true for me, too. > > > > I'm still firmly on the side of not caring much about production > > quality. Not again looking for an easy way to eliminate the jarring > > change in volume. But it't not something that would make me > > unsubscribe. That being said, hpr wouldn't make my top 100 list of > > things to go to sleep to. > > > > I think it's interesting that there are TV channels and various > > 'profesional" streaming applications which have the same issue. Maybe > > this problem is harder to solve than it looks on the surface. I > > typically fall asleep to TV and it does irritate me when commercials are > > so much louder than the show. > > > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 2:18 PM Andrew Conway <[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I am a nocturnal podcast listener mainly because it's the only time > > I have to listen properly. I cannot work, code, write or even > > exercise and listen to speech properly. Also my daytime podcast > > bandwidth went down drastically when my daily commute ended some > > years ago. (I imagine that's become much more common for people in > > the last year or so.) This means that music that might wake me up > > puts me off listening to particular podcasts and so the HPR theme is > > a problem for me, but not so much that I would ever unsubscribe. (To > > be honest unsubscribing from HPR sounds like a euphemism, like > > "shuffling off this mortal coil" :)). > > > > If a musicless feed existed, as klaatu suggests, or a more gentle > > version of the theme was the outro's default, I would definitely > > listen to more HPR shows. That said, I wouldn't want to create more > > work for folk if I am only part of a small minority. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > On Sun, 17 Oct 2021, 18:41 Klaatu, <[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Interestingly, my own podcast, GNU World Order, has gotten a few > > emails from > > people over the years who say they fall asleep to podcasts, as > > well. > > > > Many people identify strongly with the "brand" of a podcast by > > its intro and > > outro music. However, other people find the almost subliminal > > chatter about > > tech soothing and relaxing. > > > > We could consider releasing a special feed without music, but > > that would not > > guarantee a relaxing listen. An HPR host might add loud sound > > effects or > > music, or shout, or whatever, to their show independent of the > > intro and outro > > music. > > > > I've been looking into ways of doing a no-music feed for my own > > show, but so > > far everything requires a bunch of extra steps that I'm not > > willing to do > > myself. The reason I'm able to release a show so often is that > > most of the > > posting process is automated, so I can afford no extra steps. > > > > I believe the same is true for HPR. > > > > Point is, this is something to consider, and if I come up with > > an brilliant > > ideas for separating music from voice in an easy way, I'll let > > the admins > > know. > > > > -klaatu > > > > On Monday, 18 October 2021 5:49:55 AM NZDT Ken Fallon wrote: > > > Hi anarch0re > > > > > > Thanks for getting in touch. I replied to the list but you > > > > can feel free > > > > > to reply to me directly. > > > > > > See my comments inline. > > > > > > On 2021-10-16 23:39:05, anarchore via Hpr wrote: > > > > Hi; > > > > > > > > There was a community news show about a month ago during > > > > which the > > > > > > producers remarked that there was a plateau in subscribers. > > > > > > > > I have a suggestion that may improve this attrition rate... > > > > I and I'm > > > > > > sure a lot of others listen to podcasts to wind down while > > > > going to sleep. > > > > > Ouch ! The community news is putting you to sleep. That hurts ! > > > > > > Joking aside I doubt that most people use HPR to go to sleep. > > > The > > > variety of shows on HPR is so different you would want to be > > > > on your > > > > > guard when listening. For example I will only listen to a > > > > Dave Morriss > > > > > or tuturto show if I'm wide awake - focused - and at a > > > > computer with > > > > > access to the shownotes. I'll only listen to klaatus shows if > > > > I have a > > > > > cup of coffee beside me. > > > > > > The purpose of HPR is not to put people to sleep, it's to get > > > > them up, > > > > > thinking, hacking, & recording shows with a goal of Sharing > > > > Knowledge ! > > > > > > The intro song is loud, low bitrate sounding trumpet > > > > chiptune fanfare, > > > > > > which is fine. The thing is, the shows are often recorded > > > > at a low > > > > > > volume level so the volume must be adjusted upward to hear > > > > them... then > > > > > > after being soothed by a soft spoken hacker voice, the > > > > blaring, loud > > > > > > chiptunes are blasted again at the end of the show. > > > > > > Fair point and you're not the only one that mentioned this. > > > > > > We have several volunteers who will help us clean up the > > > > audio and help > > > > > the host improve their setup. We will on occasion farm the > > > > poor audio > > > > > out to auphonic.com <http://auphonic.com> to see if they can > > > > fix it. > > > > > However you don't mention which show in particular you are > > > > having a > > > > > problem with. Or do you feel that this is a problem with all > > > > of them ? > > > > > Not knowing what shows are having issues we can't tell if > > > > it's a issue > > > > > with the source audio, the processing or the transcoding. > > > > > > If it's the Community News show then we can do something > > > > about it as it > > > > > is directly under my control as I am the one producing it. I > > > > will ensure > > > > > that the intro and outro of next months one is added and > > > leveled > > > manually. I would like you to give your feedback on the > > > > efforts afterwards. > > > > > If it's another show then can you get in touch with me > > > > directly so that > > > > > we can see if we can address the issue. > > > > > > If you do feel that the audio is poor, there is something > > > > that you can > > > > > do to help the project out and that is to report it to us > > > > *before* it > > > > > hits the main feed. > > > > > > There is no need for any audiophile to suffer in silence. > > > > Just subscribe > > > > > to the Future Feed and provide admin@hpr with feedback on the > > > > shows > > > > > audio. If there are issues there we can try and fix them > > > > before it hits > > > > > the main feed. > > > > > > http://hackerpublicradio.org/syndication.php > > > > <http://hackerpublicradio.org/syndication.php> > > > > > > This has woken me up from sleep many times. I can only > > > > imagine the > > > > > > consternation from headphone users. > > > > > > > > I'm sure this has led to many rage-unsubscriptions by those > > > > less level > > > > > > headed than I. > > > > > > I doubt that. The audio on HPR has been consistently variable > > > > since it's > > > > > inception. We should be seeing a consistent rate of > > > > rage-unsubscriptions > > > > > as well. The dip beg > > > > > > I imagine most people skip the outro entirely. > > > > > > > There is a much more mellow sounding intro that is the same > > > > tune at a > > > > > > lower volume, that is used sometimes. If there must be an > > > > outro song, > > > > > Yes there must be as we need to provide feedback on how you can > > > contribute a show to the project. > > > > http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php > > <http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php>. > > > > > > this should be it, and the loud blaring fanfare tune should > > > > be only used > > > > > > at the beginning. > > > > > > There are several intros and outros available, which one are > > > your > > > referring to and I'll put it in ? > > > > > > http://hackerpublicradio.org/media/theme-music/ > > > > <http://hackerpublicradio.org/media/theme-music/> > > > > > As your use case is (I feel at least) pretty unique, I'd love > > > > you do > > > > > record a show telling us all about it. Don't forget to > > > > introducing > > > > > yourself, and tell us of your journey to HPR. > > > > > > Feel under absolutely zero pressure to send in a show. I mean > > > > it would > > > > > be great if you could as we are running low on shows in the > > > > queue, and > > > > > have a call for shows open. But as I say don't let the fact > > > > that every > > > > > single HPR show you are using to go to sleep to has been > > > > contributed by > > > > > someone very much like yourself who rather than just consumed > > > > content, > > > > > took the brave step to themselves become a - let me say - > > > > hero of sorts. > > > > > If you *do* decide to contribute, it's easy just nip over to > > > http://hackerpublicradio.org/calendar.php > > > > <http://hackerpublicradio.org/calendar.php> for more information. > > > > > Hope to _hear_ from you soon ;-) > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN) > > > http://kenfallon.com <http://kenfallon.com> > > > http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30 > > > > <http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Hpr mailing list > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradi > > o.org > > <http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicra > > dio.org> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hpr mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradi > > o.org > > <http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicra > > dio.org>> > > _______________________________________________ > > Hpr mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.or > > g > > <http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio. > > org>> > > _______________________________________________ > > Hpr mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > > -- > Regards, > > Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN) > http://kenfallon.com > http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30 > > > _______________________________________________ > Hpr mailing list > [email protected] > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org _______________________________________________ Hpr mailing list [email protected] http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
