Jason sent me this privately, but I think it was meant for the list. SF 
lists are run by mailman and someone with admin privs can easily change 
the reply-to for this list.

cheers
jim
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On 12/14/01 10:10 AM, "JB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I want to preface this with the understanding that I am not out to
> alienate anyone or throw away good work, but the idea of a new project
> has entered my mind more than once. Since Micheal has yet to comment
> (that I have seen), the status of this most recent effort could be all
> for naught. 

I don't think so at all. We have started cleaning up the repositories and
sparked a discussion. Any changes to code can be moved anywhere so even
while we are discussing things improvements to the code can happen. I don't
think the wishes of the community can be ignored.

> I, for one, have very real and pressing issues for wanting
> to get on with this, so I am curious what the response of this community
> would be toward starting a new project.

I think everyone is in agreement with where the project should go. Fred just
dropped me a line stating he is in agreement and asked him to try and get in
touch with Michael.

The only problem I see is if there is actually a legal entity called the
HSQLDB Development Group that is owned by Michael. If that is the case than
I see some possible problems. But I'm hoping that Fred can get hold of
Michael to answer any questions.

> Mark has mentioned it here, and
> Mauricio had also mentioned it in a previous post which I quote below.
> Could the two groups could work together, sharing code and ideas, but
> under different processes? Would people here be willing to consider this
> as a real option?

Certainly after the discussion here is finished, or if Michael doesn't
respond for a prolonged period of time. Everyone here pretty much agrees, I
haven't seen anyone opposed to using the mailing list or a meritocracy so I
think we just have to give Michael a chance to respond. If we as a group of
developers don't agree than we can decide what to do.
 
> curiously
> jim
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
>> Another option is to simply let the current
>> development continue in SourceForge (with the current rules and
>> process) and
>> start a different branch based on the 1.43 sources as a subproject of
>> Jakarta. I believe the license for 1.43 allows this, and the original
>> developer has already stated that he has no interest in continuing hsql
>> development.
> 
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> 
>> 
>> < - snip - >
>> 
>>>> Michael is currently overseas, with limited access to
>>>> 
>>> email, so we may not
>>> 
>>>> hear from him on this subject.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> Combining responses here.  One of the reasons I pointed this out was that
>> Michael is the official project manager, and is the principle of the HSQLdb
>> Development Group, Inc., as well as the holder of hsqldb.org.  Without his
>> cooperation, you may be forced to start another project.
> 
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