On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 22:49 +0200, Roland Weber wrote: > Hello Oleg, > > see the definition of the roles in Apache: > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles > > Committer: > ...are actually making short-term decisions for the project. > > PMC: > The PMC as a whole is the entity that controls the project... > > > My coding frenzy earlier this year and the subsequent > build process dispute have given me both reason and > opportunity to reconsider my involvement in this project. > We got along much better recently for one simple reason: > I am restricting myself to short-term decisions. I think > it all took a wrong turn when I became a PMC and started > to care about "Jakarta as a whole". But even with Jakarta > out of the picture, there remains one simple fact: > The two of us are in constant disagreement. > > On the coding level, I feel that we get along great. > We exchange our ideas, pick them up, reconsider, make > small steps, and so on. In the end, we have something > that is better than either of us would have achieved > on his own. (or so I think :-) > On the project level, this does not work. We keep > modules in a component, or we don't. We have a build > process that covers all of the code, or we don't. > There is no compromise. The Apache Way is clear: > Meritocracy. If you want to see things go your way, > put in more work. But my time is limited, and I am > still spending more of it than I want to. So I decided > to care much less about things beyond the coding level. > And I believe this is, in the long run, not compatible > with being on a PMC. I'm staying on the Jakarta PMC > to see HttpComponents out, but that's it. > > This would not be a problem for me if there were more > people involved and we could get majority decisions. > But that is not the case. Time and again, it is you > and me and nobody else. I am sick and tired of these > stalemate discussions that eat up my time and raise > my frustration level without leading anywhere. If I > see more people actively involved, I might reconsider > this decision. But as things are now, I will not put > myself into more heads-up situations with you. > > > > Active committer MUST be a PMC member. > > I remember that Henri voice his _opinion_ that all > committers _should_ be PMC. That may even have been > the opinion of the board. But I don't remember seeing > that written down as a binding rule for either Apache > or Jakarta. PMCs set their own rules of course, and > so can the HttpComponents PMC if we go TLP. > > If being a committer requires being PMC, I will > provide patches for JIRA issues and let somebody > else do the commits. I am not looking for ways to > spend more time on this project, or to take more > responsibility for it. Quite the opposite is true. >
You definitely should not take on more responsibilities if you see them as a burden. This will help no one on the long run. Oleg > cheers, > Roland > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
