I do not believe one can look make the observation that an image is  
"improperly flipped" by examining the control points between only one  
pair of images. There could easily be other control points between the  
flipped image and other images that is driving the optimized  
orientation to be flipped. Consider that the control points shown are  
tightly clustered. The error distance between these points in the  
flipped position is small compared the distance between other control  
points when the image is not flipped if those points are indeed wider  
apart and such that the rotated image matches them up. You just might  
have some zinger control points. They can be hard to spot.  Judging  
from that tight cluster of points, which looks like  a typical  
autopano-sift-c matching, I would not be surprised if you relied  
entirely upon automatic matching, which can and will come up with some  
surprisingly exact matches that are total zingers. You have to check  
every point combination. Use the point table or the green bar matching  
indicator to spot which images have control points between them that  
you know are impossible. I believe you when you report progressive  
strangeness. I have seen similar but I have also seen Hugin suddenly  
return to rock solid at times when I was sure it was spiraling out of  
control.  Nevertheless, I would start this pano over from scratch and  
use manual match point, saving the project at every step.  BTW, I  
prefer pan-o-matic over autopano-sift-c because it results in wider  
control point spreads.

Allan

On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Dale Beams wrote:

> Canon camera, no change of FOV.  The problem is that it worked on  
> the first pano, errors on the second and then progressively got  
> worse for each succeeding pano.  Only upon closing hugin and then  
> restarting it was I able to correct some of the pano's.  However,  
> when this happens, it flips the photos every which way, some 90,  
> some 180, some 2**, etc.  It's a bizarre thing.
>
> I'm on an AMD processor with a nvidia chipset.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:02:04 -0700
> > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Flipping Photos !
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> >
> >
> > Could this be a problem with a 360 degree pano where the initial FOV
> > guess is completely wrong? If so, you might circumvent this issue by
> > resetting all parameters and entering a more appropriate FOV guess
> > manually.
> >
> > I've also had this problem on occasion, usually with photos lacking
> > EXIF or having "incorrect" EXIF (I've experimented with holding a
> > separate lens in front of my el cheapo digital compact camera, which
> > of course invalidates the focal information of the EXIF).
> >
> > The existence of control point between photos which shouldn't be
> > connected can cause similar issues, I've seen this as well.
> >
> > --
> > Bart
> >
> > On 1 sep, 13:26, RizThon <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I've also had weird behaviors like this, where one or more of my  
> pictures
> > > would be rotated by 90, 180 or 270°, even if the control points  
> are all
> > > correct. Looking at Dale's Control Points picture, which reminds  
> me of what
> > > I've experienced a few times, I definitely think there's a bug  
> somewhere
> > > because how could hugin possibly think that the image 6 should  
> be rotated
> > > 180° while all the control points are correct?
> > > This happened to me while trying to stitch panoramas not of  
> landscapes,
> > > where even if you don't have a pano head it's not really an  
> issue, but of
> > > closer things, which is just what Dale is trying to do...but  
> still, why
> > > would hugin rotate that image...
> >
> >


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