I definitely agree here. The Gigapan robot and it's Stitcher software
show how easy it can be to get that initial layout with constraints -
it always takes pictures on a grid, so you just have to specify how
many rows there are, and suddenly you can preview the shape and
content of your panorama from a grid of thumbnails.

I realize this is too constrained for many applications, but if you
are taking pictures on a Nodal Ninja or other panorama head, the user
could specify rows/columns and spacing fairly easily, to get started.
Next, we might add the ability to have rows of different lengths, and
a separate spot to put 'free' pictures like an overhead/straight down
shot.

Then, the control point generators could look only at overlapping
pictures, and avoid the swirling knots that sometimes result from
totally 'free' alignment.

As a user, the way I work around this right now is using template
projects. For a particular shooting pattern, I type in the orientation
of each of the photos, and save the project as a template...

Regards,
Aron

On Jun 22, 10:25 am, Tom Sharpless <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Mark
>
> You have put your finger on a major weakness in Hugin's stitching
> flow.
>
> There should be an "alignment" tab that lets you see and adjust the
> layout of photos, whether or not it has been "optimized".
> And there should be some alignment procedures in the software, that
> operate at a higher level than just minimizing the average squared
> distance for all control points.
>
> Some progress is being made on these needs, but it has not yet come
> together as a complete package offering a smooth user experience.
> There is a new graphical "layout" facility, and eventually the
> "panomatic" control point finder will use layout information to
> improve the quality of its control points.  But I don't think anybody
> is working on high level alignment algorithms at present.
>
> It would be nice if Hugin could do automatic alignment as well as
> PTGui does.  I don't know what is inside, but it is clear from the
> outside that PTGui's alignment algorithm has 4 or 5 major steps, the
> last of which is optimization.  However PTGui doesn't offer the user
> any control over this procedure, or allow one to specify the starting
> layout.  Both of which could ultimately make for quicker and better
> alignments.
>
> Cheers,  Tom
>
> Some progress
>
> On Jun 22, 9:31 am, Markkk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi
>
> > First: many thanks to all the contributers of hugin and tools. Great
> > achievment!
>
> > Just a small usability issue: it took me a long time to figure out,
> > which of the tabs corresponds to the "2. Align..." step of the
> > Assistant.
>
> > From my [foreign language] understanding, the word "optimise" denotes
> > "further refinement". An act of improving an otherwise complete
> > result. A step that could even be left out for a crude first look
> > (which obviously is not the case here).
>
> > Kepts dismissing that tab as "yeah, we can optimise later, where the
> > heck is alignment?" ;-)
>
> > -Mark

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