No need to apologize Lydia,.we are here for the duration -and have to be supportive to each other- as well as like hounds on the trail of the quarry! Anyhow ,it made me think up a riposte at least -and it's good to strike a line on this difficult topic.
Equally, you will see that I agree with you about marginalising the physical effects of Hum -it can only do good to put it in 'its' place - and ignoring it's persistence is a good way forward. My young daughter says she hears the Hum..but I wonder if it's the same thing. There's a lot of distant traffic noise near me and they sound very similar- but NOT the same-I hasten to add. I intend to get back on the technical 'search trail' soon- so even if you can't get stuck in right now, others are thinking of 'ways' to do so -all the time :) On Dec 11, 2:35 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks for getting me to clarify, Trev - I realise I didn't mean > 'symptoms', I meant characteristics. Given that we humans are very > similar to one another, the repeated, classic characteristics of the > hum suggests it comes from humans. The external environment, on the > other hand, contains such enormous differences that if the hum was > external, the characteristics vary greatly. I appreciate that there > seems to be a variation in the intensity of the hum, depending upon > one's environment, but that can easily suggest that the evironment has > an impact upon the internal hum. I shouldn't have described it as an > illness - more a 'condition'. > > Apologies if I'm trying to explain it away - perhaps just my personal > way of coping with it. I'm a teacher and I have two young children - > life is a bit fraught as even driving seems dangerous at the moment as > I feel drunk all the time, along with dizzy and forgetful - you all > know what it's like - so I guess I'm a bit eager for an explanation > that is rationally acceptable to me, even if the cause can't be nailed > down. > > I like the rhyme: > "For every ailment under the sun > There is a remedy, or there is none; > If there be one, try to find it; > If there be none, never mind it." > > From rummaging around online, I'm pretty certain I will not find a > remedy so I'm trying to 'never mind'. > > Lydia > > On 11 Dec, 13:29, Trev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > @Zen > > An external noise bothering us world wide would present a far larger > > variety of symptoms > > > I don't follow this logic- surely 'its' subtle side effect nature is > > in keeping with a 'threshold effect ' rather than an illness tendency > > as suggested. > > The very fact that there are no other methods of pickup of hum is a > > measure of its iniquitous nature and really just makes it harder to > > nail- rather than explain it away IMO! > > I can't think what 'other effects' would show -if the only thing > > picked up is 'ultra marginal' and most likely unintended*. > > > *At least , I hope that's the case ! > > > On Dec 11, 10:58 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Thank you so much for your replies, gentlemen, and the link you've > > > provided, Geoff, has truly cheered me up - thanks! > > > > The fact that the hum shows such 'classic' symptoms, repeated > > > worldwide, overwhelmingly suggests to me that it is a phenonmenon > > > within the human head and nothing to do with anything external, just > > > as chicken pox sufferers have the same symptoms the world over. Our > > > human bodies are far more similar than different so if we are all > > > experiencing the same symptoms, we all have the same 'disease'. An > > > external noise bothering us world wide would present a far larger > > > variety of symptoms, surely? > > > > I'm only 42 and have read that I'm not really supposed to hear the hum > > > until I'm over 50 so I may have many years of it to suffer. I'm > > > delighted therefore that I found this site and that very helpful link, > > > Geoff - at one point I could see myself spending far too much time > > > trying to identify external causes - now I know I just have to learn > > > to deal with it. > > > > Incidentally, I did have a very large brain tumour removed from the > > > humming side of my head (six years ago); I recovered quickly and > > > completely but it has left a cavity the size of an orange in my head - > > > don't know if that would add anything to the likelihood of a hum. I'd > > > be interested to add to any statistics of hum sufferers as I can see I > > > fit into the 26% of those with injuries on the John Dawes site - if > > > anyone knows of any current survey I can add to. I'm in South West > > > England by the way, half a mile from Bristol - it was vague memories > > > of the Bristol Hum that got me investigating. > > > > Cheers, > > > Lydia > > > > On 10 Dec, 20:08, "Geoff Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:hum- > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 11 December 2008 12:31 a.m. > > > > > To: Hum Sufferers > > > > > Subject: Re: TRACING THE HUM/Article Epoch Times(John Dawes) > > > > > > As a rationalist and materialist, Geoff, and someone who's only > > > > > recently tuned into The Hum, I'm interested in your diagnosis of LF > > > > > tinnitus. > > > > > That is refreshing ;-! > > > > > > Details about tinnitus in general don't bear any relation to my hum (a > > > > > low drone, fluctuating, heard during the night but only on some > > > > > nights, > > > > > Similar to mine then . Agree not anything like the sound of common > > > > tinnitus. > > > > > Tuesdays particularly bad at the moment (I have to get up > > > > > > earlier than usual on Wednesdays which could be an explanation), > > > > > Following a more stressful part of the week maybe ? > > > > > > splutters out often in early hours, as if it's been switched off, no > > > > > obvious external cause. Feels like a vibration in the right-hand > > > > > side of my head, rather than an actual sound - if I 'listen' out for > > > > > it I can't hear it but then it suddenly emerges from the back, rather > > > > > than from my ear. > > > > > I sometimes get it in one, and other times in both ears. Last time I > > > > had it > > > > in left ear only - when inserting finger it changed from Hum to a > > > > physical > > > > spasming. > > > > > >I gave up caffeine twenty years ago so this is not > > > > > a contributor but recently I have correlated the sound to be worse > > > > > when I've had alcohol. > > > > > I am still on about 5 coffees a day. No Hum at present, but I have > > > > regular > > > > tinnitus in my right ear, which I imagine gets worse after a glass or > > > > two of > > > > wine . > > > > > >I can cope with it better when I've had a > > > > > chamomile tea and some celery and peanut butter (for the tryptophans) > > > > > shortly before bedtime - I still hear it but it is not so bothersome. > > > > > I have never had tinnitus but always had rather sensitive ears - I > > > > > hate thunder and fireworks and have used ear plugs for years. Ear > > > > > plugs make The Hum worse, of course - I have to take them out to > > > > > minimize my awareness of the vibration.) > > > > > My ears have become more sensitive to noise in general ( complicated by > > > > easy > > > > internal blockage) which is normal with increasing age, evidently. > > > > > > This is the best explanation I've read so far though I admit it's not > > > > > very satisfying. When I first started hearing the hum on a regular > > > > > basis about three months ago I was convinced it was external and > > > > > extremely frustrated by my husband's insistence that it was all in my > > > > > head (simply because he couldn't hear it). Having experimented and > > > > > found how much worse it is when I am stressed, tired and drink sodden, > > > > > It is especially frustrating when the Hum you hear is so loud and clear > > > > that > > > > you cannot believe that others cannot hear it ! > > > > > > I am more inclined to accept that it might be in my head though I find > > > > > this difficult as it makes me sound a bit of a nutter. > > > > > You want to see some real nutters, just hang around here for a bit ! It > > > > certainly is 'in your head', but not in a nutter sense - it is a real > > > > sound, > > > > but just not one generated and propagated by he usual means ! > > > > > > I'm also > > > > > baffled by the way it seems to turn off, as if by a switch - around > > > > > 5.00 a.m. last night. Just wondering if you have found an explanation > > > > > for that part of it in your low frequency tinnitus diagnosis, > > > > > I have had it switching on and off every 5 seconds for a few minutes > > > > once. > > > > This was around the time of the finger-ear-spasm-thing, but did not > > > > seem to > > > > be related to anything physical I was doing at the time ( layiong still > > > > !). > > > > > > I think the more I have an explanation for The Hum, the more I'll be > > > > > able to dismiss it - at the moment, I try to convince myself to > > > > > believe that I've left the tumble dryer on. > > > > > Not helpful, because things like that can cause real measurable audible > > > > (by > > > > everybody hums, and just confuse the whole matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hum Sufferers" group. 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