The major problem seems to be the fact that thermal effects on tissues
were used to judge safety levels and operational criteria.
This is a mistake ,as we now know empirically.
Also , it doesn't take note of sensitivities between individuals -or
the time scales needed to prove safety longterm.
A lot of of money has to be made [literally £Billions] by Gov'ts of
all strains, worldwide.
We know the effect of money on individuals and systems everywhere.

The EM pollution sufferers do have the doubtful notoriety of being
pathfinders in a murky new world where true freedoms are disappearing
almost daily in subtle ways.
A small consolation - but a worthwhile adapation to the trend.
Hum blowers ?   Think 'Smoking Doctors' ads. - and 'safe' asbestos
tips children played on...

[All being said my suspicions for Hum are more in the power grid/
Earth magnetic fiield interplay area - not forgetting Haarp, for a
back up!]

On Feb 25, 7:10 pm, patty <[email protected]> wrote:
> No I don't trust them.  My truth is that we all are human.  I am
> reading the articles so I can see the short comings in the processes
> they are using.
> We do have a comprehensive case.  They are confused, probably more
> than we are.  One chink in thier armour that I notice is, how they are
> equating the effects of the use of a cell phone (near field) with the
> effects of base stations (far field).  They are flipping from one to
> the other.  I must say the EMF sensitives in Europe have put a ruffle
> in their feathers.  I know how I felt when I was first confronted with
> the truth of this matter.  The disblief that this monster has been
> allowed to grow so large, and how can it be stopped.  Peoples minds
> are effected by the waves, so I have to work with the factor, that I
> must forgive them (to an extent) because they too are under the
> influence.
> So I look for information in the reports that they provide.  Yes I am
> reading between the lines.  I believe in the microwave auditory
> effect, I feel the effects on my nervous system, it scares me.
> I am trying to keep a tight control on my anger, anger is a bundle of
> emotions.  How many times in my life so far have I been dissuated,
> because the one I have asked for help has said it's too complicated,
> usually what I have found out later is that they didn't have the
> answer in the first place.
> They may be experts in the scientific community but they are only part
> of what makes the world.  They might be singing, but anyone with any
> insight can see the waves going thru the brain and figure that the
> brain is not a void, even the effects on neural synpse, neural synapse
> are roughly nanometres apart, would they not be effected in the wave.
> I never though I would have to think about such things.
> Thank you for responding, I don't have anyone to talk to about this.
> My husband gets a glazed look on his face when I ponder the situation
> out loud.
> Patty
> On Feb 24, 10:28 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> >   Yes but sometimes rants about how complicated subjects happen to be
> > just another form of avoiding the issue and reaching conclusions
> > WHO's job is to
> > interfer with reaching conclusions, complicated or not  Yes I would
> > assume they give some insights, but basically it is up to us to read
> > between the lines because WHO is NEVER  going to tell us the whole
> > truth because they would lose their non profit funding and the top
> > people would lose their easy ride
>
> >    And just as I suspected, considering the link you provided, WHO is
> > singing
> > like a canary to protect the industry it is suppose to be studying for
> > ill
> > health effects  Notice how they so eloquently keep the conversation
> > about
> > RF levels  Not all wireless is RF  And not all wireless is modulation
> > of RF
>
> >   THE BOLD BASIC TRUTH IS BRAIN TUMORS, CANCERS IN MEN N WOMEN,
> > DIABETIES, CENTRAL NERVOUS
> > SYSTEM DISORDERS, ADD TYPE DISORDERS, OBSESSIVE DISORDERS,
> > CHRONIC INSOMIA, CHRONIC FATIQUE TYPE DISORDERS, BIRTH DEFECTS AND
> > STILL BIRTHS, BREATHING PROBLEMS (Asthma), AS WELL AS
> > TOO LARGE OF A PORTION OF THE POPULATION IS LEANING TOWARDS
> > ROAD RAGES OR THE EXTREME OF GOING POSTAL
>
> >   Something in our environments are inducing our bodies to go through
> > these
> > multiple changes of our immune systems not being able to do the job
> > it use to
>
> >   Radiation and magnetic fields fill this bill more than any other
> > form of
> > technology advancement  and that points at the advancement of wireless
>
> >   WHO can pretend from now until Doomsday, but pretending is what they
> > are doing   WHO knows perfectly well where there money comes from and
> > they have the brains to not bite the hand that feeds them even with
> > despite unavoidable uncertainty to deal with   I notice they also go
> > out of
> > their way to not link our 60 Hz grid or European's 50 Hz grid to not
> > be
> > considered part of the equation when it is a very large part of the
> > equation
>
> > As summarized here, these separate avenues of scientific investigation
> > provide little support for adverse health effects arising from RF
> > exposure at levels below current international standards. Moreover,
> > radio and television broadcast waves have exposed populations to RF
> > for > 50 years with little evidence of deleterious health
> > consequences. Despite unavoidable uncertainty, current scientific data
> > are consistent with the conclusion that public exposures to
> > permissible RF levels from mobile telephony and base stations are not
> > likely to adversely affect human health.
>
> > Radiofrequency (RF) waves have long been used for different types of
> > information exchange via the airwaves—wireless Morse code, radio,
> > television, and wireless telephony (i.e., construction and operation
> > of telephones or telephonic systems) . Increasingly larger numbers of
> > people rely on mobile telephone technology, and health concerns about
> > the associated RF exposure have been raised, particularly because the
> > mobile phone handset operates in close proximity to the human body,
> > and also because large numbers of base station antennas are required
> > to provide widespread availability of service to large populations.
> > The World Health Organization convened an expert workshop to discuss
> > the current state of cellular-telephone health issues, and this
> > article brings together several of the key points that were addressed.
> > The possibility of RF health effects has been investigated in
> > epidemiology studies of cellular telephone users and workers in RF
> > occupations, in experiments with animals exposed to cell-phone RF, and
> > via biophysical consideration of cell-phone RF electric-field
> > intensity and the effect of RF modulation schemes.
>
> >   FOR THE MOST PART, WHATEVER THIS ORGANIZATION WHO
> > LEADS, invokes in me to look in the opposite direction because my
> > gut tells me WHO is misleading us just as far as they possibly can
> > get away with
>
> >    I DON'T TRUST THIS ORGANIZATION "WHO".    Do you trust
> > the FDA????
>
> > On Feb 21, 10:12 am, patty <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Hi dboots; Just type in Characteristics, Dosimetry & Measurement of
> > > EMF it's out there google and yahoo.
> > > orwww.WHO.int/peh-emf/meetings/southkorea/en/SeoulWHOTaki.pdf.
> > > What I like to read is thier Workgroup Reports.  Workgroup Report:
> > > Base Stations and Wireless Networks-Radiofrequency (RF) Exposures and
> > > Health Consequences, is the latest I've 
> > > found.http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2006/9633/9633.html
> > > I find the workgroup reports give an insight; In the one mentioned
> > > above they rant about lay people and how that we just don't understand
> > > how complicated this subject is.
> > > I would like to rant a bit too, difficult, they should be in the
> > > position of trying to prove that the hum does have a detrimental
> > > physical effect.  I wrote and asked them to be honest about the
> > > hearing effect.
> > > It p's me off when I read that they say it is a trival effect, let
> > > them see the pain created by my facial nerve, which I can not control.
> > > I hope the information provided can link you
> > > Patty
>
> > > On Feb 19, 7:10 pm, dboots <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > John    Fudge Factor is right   The webs they weave when they practice
> > > > to deceive
> > > > Patty   Can you supply the link to this pdf ur referencing???    From
> > > > what I have learned about WHO, their funding leans their studies to be
> > > > also part of the problem of the "Fudge Factor" of influencing public
> > > > opinion
> > > > so sometimes we need to take time and try to read between the lines
> > > > for the truth because WHO
> > > > is never going to give you the whole truth and nothing but the truth
> > > > NEVER
>
> > > >   but nevertheless could you give us the link to this pdf anyway just
> > > > so we
> > > > can check out any newest fudge factors within some of their
> > > > representations?
>
> > > >    Thanks
>
> > > > D
>
> > > > On Feb 10, 4:41 am, patty <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi John;  Check out in Google Scholar:  Characteristics, Dosimetry &
> > > > > Measurement of EMF by M. Taki a WHO Taki pdf from the Seoul South
> > > > > Korea Meeting - Some representations of the microwave auditory effect.
> > > > > It's near the end of the pdf..
> > > > > Just Sharing
> > > > > Patty
>
> > > > > On Feb 8, 4:23 pm, pmm232 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I have been pushing different Political Members here in Australia
> > > > > > Labor and Liberal Governments also Local Council in the Town of
> > > > > > Maitland,New South Wales and the response with the Local Federal 
> > > > > > Labor
> > > > > > Member was it is unfortunate that I am very sensitive to this and 
> > > > > > even
> > > > > > if I moved I could suffer the same.
>
> > > > > > Very helpful particularly when I think the problem here comes from 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > Industrial area close to where I live no-one will get measurements
> > > > > > taken at my home only Lance Batey so far.
> > > > > > What do you have to do , run around the streets with a placard to 
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > help.
>
> > > > > > I am sure this is coming from the Industrial Area, proving it is the
> > > > > > problem.
> > > > > > Best Wishes,
> > > > > >                    Pam M.
>
> > > > > > On Feb 1, 11:32 pm, "John Dawes" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > The British Government has been aware of the Hum problem for the 
> > > > > > > past 40 years and has made a few feeble attempts to find the 
> > > > > > > cause.
> > > > > > > For the past 32 years the Department of the Environment (DoE) now 
> > > > > > > part of the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs 
> > > > > > > (DEFRA) has been researching the problem and has achieved 
> > > > > > > nothing, they are now no closer to finding the cause than the day 
> > > > > > > they began.
> > > > > > > The latest wheeze from this department is to employ a 
> > > > > > > psychiatrist and a psychologist who will convince Hum sufferers 
> > > > > > > that the problem is all in the mind and if sufferers stop 
> > > > > > > thinking about the Hum it will go away.
> > > > > > > This is a typical British
>
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