Hey, that's right.
I remember translating a particular phrase into readable English (the translator had done a literal translation which didn't quite make sense). Wasn't it someone on the list who was working on it? Or was it the other list?

Colin Hill


On 02/11/2011 23:44, Matthew Szostak wrote:
Seems to me that on this list, a few centuries ago, there was discussion
about a translation of Helmut Gotschey's book - done with his approval?

Does this sound familiar? Was there ever any outcome?

~ Matt


On Nov 2, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Samantha Riffle wrote:

I have to say, this whole discussion has been really interesting to
read. Thank you all for sharing!

I just wanted to pop in and say that if any of you find yourself stuck
on certain parts of those German books, I might be able to help - I'm
a German-to-English translator. :) I don't know much about building
hurdy gurdies, but if you come across some vital sentences in those
books that Google Translate can't help you with, I'd be happy to try
to help decipher them.

-sam

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:14 AM, timw <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    No worries, David. You got there first. I had to order it new because
    I was asleep at the wheel. Enjoy, Tim.

    On Nov 2, 3:18 pm, David Gillett <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
    > Hmmm! I wonder who got there first! David
    >
    >
    >
    > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:57 PM, timw <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
    > > Thanks again, Norm. I ordered the Helmut Gotschy book. I can't
    read
    > > german, but I bet the pictures 'are worth 1,000 words'.
    >
    > > I didn't find the Lasnier MIN52 plan yet, the link didn't work
    for me,
    > > but later I'll try finding it through the museum's website. Tim
    >
    > > On Nov 2, 2:01 pm, Norm Sohl <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
    > > > I liked "Historical Lute Construction", but it is oddly
    silent on the
    > > > subject of form building as I recall. Lovely book though.
    There is an
    > > > excellent book (in German again) that follows the
    construction of a
    > > luteback
    > > > based on the plans I mentioned in my last note called Bau einer
    > > Drehleier,
    > > > by the HG builder Helmut Gotschy. I notice that Amazon has
    it second
    > > hand
    > > > at the moment for a reasonable price:
    >
    > >
    >http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FSNIX2/sr=8-1/qid=1320248385/ref...
    > > > oduct_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1320248385&sr=8-1&seller=
    >
    > > > The pictures alone are worth it!
    > > > --Norm
    >
    > > > -----Original Message-----
    > > > From: [email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
    [mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>]
    > > On
    >
    > > > Behalf Of timw
    > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:43 AM
    > > > To: hurdygurdy
    > > > Subject: [HG-new] Re: Sources for Lute-Back HG making
    >
    > > > Thank you, Norm!
    >
    > > > I appreciate every little clue and roadmap I can get on this
    'journey,
    > > or as
    > > > RT said, 'gurdymania'. I will check it out. Another book I
    have found
    > > that
    > > > is helpful is:
    >
    > > > Historical Lute Construction, Robert Lundberg Guild of
    American Luthiers
    > > > ISBN-13 978-o-9626447-4-0
    > > > ISBN-10-0-9626447-4-9
    >
    > > > This book is pricey, and is on building lutes, rather than
    gurdies,but
    > > > should help building the body. Would I recommend buying it
    for gurdie
    > > > making? I am undecided, maybe someone else here would offer
    their
    > > opinion.
    > > > If it is available at a public library, rather than buying
    it, yes.
    >
    > > > I'm betting Norm's recommendation, even in German, would be more
    > > > helpful. Thanks, Norm. Tim
    >
    > > > On Nov 1, 9:21 pm, Norm Sohl <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
    > > > > On another tangent, Tim mentions building the Jiri from
    scratch, and I
    > > > > wanted to suggest that he (and any amateur thinking about
    a luteback)
    > > > > consider ordering a copy of the Germanisches
    Nationalmuseum's Lasnier
    > > > > luteback plan,
    > > > MIN52.
    >
    >http://forschung.gnm.de/ressourcen/musikinstrumente/service/gnm_tz_ro.
    > > > ...
    > > > > pdf has more information and ordering info. Personally, I
    found it 27
    > > > > euros well spent. It requires a little work to muddle
    through the
    > > > > German if you don't already speak the language, but not that
    > > > > difficult, and the rewards are worth it, at least in my
    opinion. That
    > > > > way you would invest your time building forms and tools
    for a more
    > > > > traditional looking instrument. Of course, if you have
    fallen in love
    > > > with the Jiri, I say just go for it!
    > > > > --Norm
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