Hi,

I think ideal drumkit:
- has to be properly licensed
- has to have the same layout as GMKit
- should have „nautral” sound (neither „vintage” nor „modern metal”;)
- should have several velocity layers
- it would be nice to have some round-robins
- probably souldn’t use components


Strangely, I somehow missed the „Black Pearl”, I have never hrard it. I gave it 
a try and it sounds really good to me. There are two minor issues, bu I think 
those are easy to overcome. First, it has different layout than GMKit. I think 
retaining layout is important, as once we stop shipping GMKit, songs created 
with that drumkit would be unplayable, so providing a drop-in replacement seems 
to be a good move. But creating new kit based on Black Pearl samples would 
should work. Second, it is missing some sounds - for example, GMKit has two 
snares „Snare Jazz” and „Snare Rock”. But maybe we could „borrow” „jazz” 
versions from other kit, maybe Milo's?

I think twenty-something MB size is reasonable, fortunately times of 14k 
dial-up are long gone;) I have seen drumkit libraries of several GB in size, 
those are definitely „too big”.

BTW. I have recently found SMDrums[1] project which provides extensively 
sampled drumkit (e.g snare and kick are sampled with 127[!] velocity layers). 
Unfortunately, its license is a bit vague (nothing beyond „free”).

One last thought: maybe we should reach out to users? Maybe someone could 
provide good samples? I think this mailing list has little reach...

Przemek 

1. https://smmdrums.wordpress.com

> Wiadomość napisana przez mau...@smoors.de w dniu 10.05.2017, o godz. 22:26:
> 
> Hi Przemek!
> 
> i'm also a fan of the vintage sound.. there's an old ludwig kit in my 
> basement :)
> 
> I have listened to almost all kits from Sourceforge now.. There are not 
> many kits which would be a candidate for a new default kit :(
> What do you think of the "Black Pearl Kit"? It has a bit more of that 
> "universal timbre" then the Millo Kits, in my opinion. It currently has 
> 14mb, but maybe we could strip it down to an even smaller version. We 
> could leave some instruments multi-layered (like the snare), use only 
> one layer for other instruments and remove some other instruments 
> completely.
> 
> About the kickstarter campaign: I'm also a bit sceptical about that...
> 
> What is the general opinion on this topic? Are there other favourite 
> drumkits which would be suited for the default kit?
> 
> Best regards,
> Sebastian
> 
> 
> Am 05.04.2017 07:51, schrieb el.pescado:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> To follow-up: My personal favorite is Millo MultiLayered2. It's a bit
>> more comprehensive than GMKit, it has roughly the same layout as GMKit
>> (it can play demo songs out-of-the-box), is properly licensed, and
>> sounds good to me. On the downside, it sounds quite different than
>> GMKit. GMKit has fairly "universal" timbre, wheread Millo has strong
>> "vintage" vibe.
>> 
>> Another idea that I come up with is Kickstarter campaign to create
>> new/buy existing sample library. I'm fairly sceptical about that,
>> however.
>> 
>> Przemek
>> 
>> W dniu 2017-04-04 23:06:53 użytkownik Przemysław Sitek
>> <el.pesc...@gazeta.pl> napisał:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have been thinking about GMKit from another perspective. Hydrogen 
>>> has pretty capable sampling engine, with support for multiple velocity 
>>> layers, multiple round robin samples, multiple mic layers 
>>> (components), amongst others. On the other hand, default drumkit 
>>> shipped with Hydrogen (GMKit) is very rudimentary - it does not 
>>> utilize any but most basic features of Hydrogen sampler. That in turn 
>>> makes bad first impression on new users. Maybe we could replace GMKit 
>>> with more sophisticated drum library - either something new or one of 
>>> existing drumkits available for download from within Hydrogen.
>>> 
>>> I see two advantages of GMKit:
>>> - It’s compatible with GMKit;)
>>> - It’s compact - any comprehensive drumkit would inflate Hydrogen 
>>> package sizes.
>>> 
>>> Przemek
>>> 
>>>> Wiadomość napisana przez mau...@smoors.de w dniu 04.04.2017, o godz. 20:45:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> at the end of the last week, Mira (the debian maintainer of hydrogen)
>>>> contacted us and brought up an issue which has been reported at the
>>>> debian bugtracker:
>>>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858281.
>>>> 
>>>> As a short summary, a user found out that the license of the GMKit
>>>> samples is unclear and that it might be the case that those samples were
>>>> recorded from a synth, which might limit the use of such samples. A
>>>> quick inquiry from our side confirmed this.
>>>> 
>>>> This situation is in my opinion very serious for us and we should look
>>>> make sure that are default kits are freely distributable. As a
>>>> consequence, i would like to remove the GMKit from hydrogen. At the
>>>> moment i don't have an idea how we could replace it. Maybe it would be a
>>>> an alternative to keep the name GMKit, but replace the samples (for
>>>> compatibility with older songs).
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know of a kit with a suitable license which might be well
>>>> suited as a default kit for Hydrogen? It should be small, universally
>>>> usable and GM-compatible.
>>>> 
>>>> Another idea would be a new drumkit contest, with an extra price for a
>>>> new default kit.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Sebastian
>>>> 
>>>> 
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