> On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 09:18:18AM -0400, Hans Deragon wrote: >> > I would recommend you use altgr-comma c instead. this is implemented >> on at least danish, swedish, norwegian an finnish keyboards for X. >> Apostrophe-c should mean C with apostrophe - and not c with cedilla. >> > >> > Best regards >> > Keld >> >> There is no AltGr key on a standard US keyboard. And on usual US intl >> keyboards, at least those I used on MS windows or when no locale was >> set under Linux, <apostrophe> <c> generates c with cedilla. So now >> what? I strongly believe that the standard is <apostrophe> <c>. Now >> how am I supposed to generate a <c> cedilla on a US keyboard when no >> AltGr key exist? > > OK, it was only a suggestion. I am not from the US nor from Canada and > French is not my native language. Anyway is there a canadian french > standard for keyboards - I believe there is one? And then that would > have c-cedilla in a well defined way. I will consult one of my friends > who is an expert in canadian-french keyboards.
French-canadian keyboards have special keys for generating some caracters with accents. For instance, there is a key for ��. I assume that they are using a different keymap for their specific keyboard. I say assume because although I am french-canadian, I hate french-canadian keyboards and never use them. I use a US keyboard with the US Intl keymapping. I cannot imagine people using the US Intl keymapping on any other keyboard than a US keyboard. The changes I propose if for US Intl keymapping only and should not affect users using other keymaps for their specific language keyboards. I am not an expert here, so please feel free to comment on this. BTW, I know its a suggestion you made. We are openly discussing the issue. Hopefully we will find a solution that will satisfy the majority if not all. > I actually was the one that generated the altgr-comma c fo c-cedilla for > DK, NO, SE and FI keyboards, amongst other things for those keyboards. > My impression is that people are happy with these arrangements, they > even found out that I did it although it was not mentioned in the X > sources. I am interested in doing some more work on it, also in the era > of ISO 10646. > > One of the principles in the scandinavian design was that the keys would > be easy to figure out from the current standard engravings of national > keyboards. And that the keyboard be consistent. I do not think that > using an acute accent would be consistent with generating a cedilla > letter. Acute accent should always generate letters with acute. > (that would be the theory - if you never used c-acute then it may be > different). > > Anyway I believe c' is use in polish, croatian, serbian, > check and slovakian, which are important languages, but not as important > as french. Given that the US keyboard would be used in the US, and there > are many people either speaking french or the other languages mentioned > above, then it would be convenient if both c-cedilla and c-acute could > be generated conveniently from the standard keybord. If we want some > consistency, I would think the acute accent would be the best to > generate the acute letter. How to conveniently generate the c-cedilla is > not obvious to me, but is there another key that could be used as an > altGr? You are right that it is not consistent to have <apostrophe> <c> generate a <c> with cedilla instead of a <c> with accute, but the other alternative is then to transform another key as a dead key? I do not want the <,> to become a dead key only to generate the <c> with cedilla. <c> with cedilla is not widely used in french. It is required, but not widely used. This is why on MS Windows and Linux non locale setting, <apostrophe> <c> generates the <c> with cedilla. Linux on the desktop is in its enfancy. MS-Windows is widely used and I would like to have the same keyboard mapping as that system has, and probably the masses of people who in the next 10 years will migrate to Linux would also like to see. This is why I am pushing for <apostrophe> <c> for at least en_US, en_CA and fr_* locales. All the locales you mention that require <c> with cedilla would remain untouched. > Best regards > keld Ciao Hans _______________________________________________ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/i18n
