четвртак, 17. јул 2003. 15:18:18 CEST — Hans Deragon написа:

There is no AltGr key on a standard US keyboard. And on usual US intl keyboards, at least those I used on MS windows or when no locale was set under Linux, <apostrophe> <c> generates c with cedilla. So now what?
I strongly believe that the standard is <apostrophe> <c>. Now how am I supposed to generate a <c> cedilla on a US keyboard when no AltGr key exist?



I guess some references to the "standard" are appropriate, besides "it's like that on Windows, no matter how insane is that". Of course, I'm no authority here, so you might just as well ignore me.


OTOH, XFree86 aims for consistency, and there's definitely a lack of it in some places. For instance, en_US keyboard map (I'm talking of the one shipped with XFree86 4.3.0) contains "dead_cedilla" on AltGr + "=" (if you don't have AltGr, use your right Alt key; sometimes it's just darker, and sometimes there's no difference). And, as Keld noticed, there are quite a few differences between en_US and Danish, Swedish, etc. Still, some inconsistency is inevitable, because that's what users need, and what relevant standards prescribe.

So, in order to get c-cedilla, you'd do the following:
  <Right-Alt> or <AltGr> + "=", followed by "c".


What language use <c> with an accute accent BTW? My point is that we
should keep the standard going with languages that do not have any use for <c> with an accute accent, such as french for example.



I'm not quite sure how many languages make use of <c-acute> (well, latin transcription of my own mother-tongue does, but I don't consider my language to be mainstream, as well as Croatian, Bosnian and Slovenian).


The thing is that US keyboard cannot and shouldn't be more suitable to US citizens also using French, German, or any other language. It should be suited to US citizens writing English. Everything else is just extra, and the way to provide most (to satisfy most people, rather than satisfy the majority [if it's the case that majority of US citizens use French as their second language]; note the difference) is via three level mapping. Perhaps Compose key is also used.


Again, I'm no authority, I have no influence on XFree86 code, so if you wish, feel free to ignore me.


Cheers,
Danilo
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