Hi, 

Sean’s idea of 1-click installers for Windows / MacOS / GNU/Linux makes a lot 
of sense. If possible, by default it could be so that in a start screen on 
could choose 1) Sugar 2) The other. Having installers for Android and iPad 
would be great, too.

Why? 

Bring your own device (BYOD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bring_your_own_device) 
is becoming popular in schools. In this case having one pedagogically visionary 
OS in the children’s own devices would be great. 

        - Teemu 

> On 1.3.2015, at 23.57, Sean DALY <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Samuel,
> 
> thanks for this
> 
> I believe Sugar has had a clear pedagogical vision from day one, but has not 
> had a strategy for some time.
> 
> Outside the XO, Sugar's historical technical architecture has unfortunately 
> kept it out of reach from all but the most determined and tech-savvy teachers 
> (and journalists). Without a pancake button download and one-click installer, 
> the installation barrier is too high. OLPC's historical focus on the hardware 
> was never helpful either, and the main reason OLPC got mauled by incorrect 
> memes was they didn't want to accompany journalists past the unfamiliarity 
> barrier of the XO (hardware+software).
> 
> In my view there are only a few ways to overcome this issue:
> 
> * Develop 1-click installers for Windows / MacOS / GNU/Linux. I had suggested 
> maintaining a matrix of preconfigured (i.e. languages/keyboards, prepopulated 
> Journal, selection of Activities) VMs over Oracle VirtualBox, whose license 
> allows free distribution for nonprofit and educational purposes. Upsides were 
> immediate fullscreen Sugar experience without touching the configuration of 
> the host computer. The downsides were huge VM images and the effort required 
> to build and maintain the matrix. At the time I suggested we approach Oracle 
> for corporate sponsorship, but some community members voiced objections.
> 
> * Arrange for Sugar to be preinstalled on low-cost, reliable machines other 
> than XOs. This is complex and would require a sales force (or working with a 
> partner's) since no OEM will make that investment without a prospect of 
> selling many thousands of units. As an alternative I had suggested we ride 
> the wave of Raspberry Pi units (five million sold in three years) by 
> developing an SD card for it based on Sugar on a Stick, but there was no 
> interest in that effort. I still believe a Sugar-branded version (case + 
> teacher starters kit -documentation) could have an impact.
> 
> * Migrate to a web-based Sugar compatible with browsers on any platform. 
> Lionel's Sugarizer is I think a fabulous solution.
> 
> 
> I've heard it suggested that marketing could do fund-raising, but donors 
> large and small won't want to contribute unless there is a plan. I've been 
> bewildered what the plan is for some time.
> 
> Sean
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Samuel Greenfeld <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> Disclaimer: The following are my views, and not the views of my current or 
> past employers.
> 
> About a year ago, I privately expressed concern that Sugar needed to ensure 
> it had long-term sponsorship and a long-term user base.
> 
> Since then, both the historical US-based OLPC organization and Sugar Labs 
> have not publicly said much about their long-term plans, with OLPC also being 
> rather closemouthed about the present.
> 
> Meanwhile contributors silently leave.  It is hard to justify volunteering 
> when you don't know who will benefit besides mysterious "customers."
> 
> Everyone seems happy to cite their past successes.  No one corrects the press 
> when they report stale information in their favor.
> 
> 
> There is no shame in being a smaller project.  But we need to ask the hard 
> questions.  With Sugar, getting users and developers for a niche platform is 
> a problem.  With OLPC, everyone seems to love repeating the 2 or 2.5 million 
> number for laptops historically shipped.  Rarely is it asked how many XOs 
> been shipped in the past year or are in active use & where.
> 
> Sugar & OLPC need to come up with long-term strategies.  While there is 
> nothing public I have seen stopping One Education's XO Infinity from running 
> Sugar, I haven't seen anything stopping it from running anything else.  It is 
> also unclear how much One Education is willing to engage with the historical 
> Sugar & OLPC communities (or how much they can tell us at this time).
> 
> 
> Historically there have been many philosophical questions like "Does there 
> need to be a physical machine?" and "Have we succeeded if every child has a 
> computer, but from someone else?"
> 
> I do not believe Sugar or OLPC is down for the count.  But in order to engage 
> One Education, governments, and other educational groups, both Sugar and the 
> historical OLPC structure need to have plans to transition to the future.  
> Otherwise these plans will be written for us.
> 
> I suspect I know how things will end; but I wish it was not happening though 
> silence.
> 
> ---
> SJG
> 
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