Ditto. I worked for a state government for a short while and the biggest complaint I got was the hyper-inflated prices IT was charging other departments for support and programming.
-----Original Message----- From: Hall, Ken (IDS DCS PE) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 1:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Windows 1, Mainframe 0 I got the same initial impression as Bruce. This says more about the management of the data center than it does about the mainframe itself. Been there, done that, on both sides of the fence. Hopefully it will work out for them, but with mainframe costs going DOWN, and the "hidden" expenses of running an infrastructure like this, I'd be very surprised if they save money in the long run. And two years from now, if the worst case comes true, with everyone working long hours and costs through the roof, I don't imagine we'll be seeing a follow up article... > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Bruce Black > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:00 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Windows 1, Mainframe 0 > > > As I read that article, the problem was not the mainframe, it > was that > the data center and all the programmers were controlled by > another state > agency. The courts had to pay the prices dictated by that agency for > computer access and programming services, and had to bid to get their > projects and enhancements put on the programming schedule. > > The latter is often a problem in companies with a centralized > programming dept. It certainly was at the last end-user company I > worked for (who shall remain nameless). > > The courts brought the processing and programming in-house. > She says > she saved $500K but also says she had to hire her own programers; I > wonder if those costs were included. They kept the old COBOL > programs, > just reworked to run on Windows, so they presumably have COBOL > progammers on her staff to maintain them, as well as other > programmers > for the new apps. > > They probably could have brought all of that inhouse on a small IBM > zSeries, no conversion, doing the new apps under USS or Linux > or maybe > keeping them on CICS. From everything I read, the cost may well have > been less. > > -- > Bruce A. Black > Senior Software Developer for FDR > Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 > personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -------------------------------------------------------- If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/ -------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY & USE NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. In addition, you are strictly prohibited from using, disseminating, distributing, copying, or storing this message and any attachments. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
