If they are indeed doing a better job than what a mainframe can do 
regarding the number of support staff, disaster recovery, ease of 
maintenance and debuggability, then I would indeed concede the point. Have 
you investigated these areas? Or are they just running unix because "it's 
cheaper than a mainframe"?

Robin Murray
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> > The day that it becomes commonplace for, say, three unix servers
> > to be able to support the entire IT production environment
> > for a large company, and do so reliably, I'll concede the point.
> 

Hmm, how about most of the largest Telcos in Asia, the largest airlines in
Asia, and a 270TB Credit Card Authorisation company, to name a few. 

What do the core applications in NASDAQ run on?

Most of the Unix sites I work in running large, partitioned Servers from
IBM, SUN and HP seem to be much, much larger than many of the sites
discussed on this list - and I'm talking transaction volume and customers,
not just TB.

And of course the very high availability applications aren't on MVS at all 
-
they are running on Stratus and Tandem (HP), right?

Then there is technology like Engenera and VMware, or simple bladeservers 
at
the low end that make many single application, clustered servers a low 
cost
reality. One customer has 240 servers running on Bladeservers in a pair of
19" cabinets connected to storage using iSCSI. MVS with all its WLM
automated knob twirling would not be able to give the same combined level 
of
RAS or TCO for these 240 applications. And these are servers, so even if
there is just an average of 5 concurrent users per application we are
talking 1200 users.

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