On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 02:14:33 +0000, Dan Gherciu <[email protected]> 
wrote:

>Anyway, at a certain point during the closure on the console I start receiving 
messages that the buffers were full. 

Just curious -- were these z/OS messages complaining about buffers being 
full, or were they messages from the HMC? My guess is the HMC was 
complaining, not z/OS, because z/OS console support uses a large data space 
to buffer messages going to an EMCS console. What z/OS release are you on? 

>"The command is not available for extended consoles".

EMCS consoles are a bit of a misnomer because an EMCS console is really 
nothing more than a programming interface; there is no physical console 
associated with one (unless some other programming that plugs into the 
interface provides one). The EMCS interfaces were initially created for the 
TSO Operator facility and now many automation products plug into them as 
well. Within z/OS console support, we have also found them to be handy for 
various internal uses, one of which is queuing the messages destined for the 
HMC System Console. The queues for EMCS consoles are distinct from those 
that support MCS and SMCS consoles (which all use a shared queue 
structure). All of the CONTROL (K) commands apply to those shared queues, 
and not to the separate EMCS queues. The EMCS queues are presented 
through programming interfaces that allow the queues to be manipulated, and 
many of the programs that plug into those interfaces do provide ways of 
manipulating the queues. Unfortunately, the program that back-ends the HMC 
System Console within z/OS console support and that plugs into the EMCS 
interfaces is not one of those programs. 

>It seems strange that in this case there is nothing that can be done!

The HMC System Console has always been a bit of an orphan, and for a 
variety of reasons we have not lavished a lot of attention on it. There are 
things that could be done, but folks need to complain through things like 
SHARE requirements if they want to see anything happen.

>Perhaps it was a stupid question ... I'm a rookie ... but that's how you learn 
things

If you're questions and my answer stir up some discussion and some SHARE 
requirements, we will both come out ahead. I'm always happy to answer 
questions.


W. Kevin Kelley -- IBM POK Lab -- z/OS Core Technical Development

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