Ted,
>
> Total cost of acquisition.
>
[Ron Hawkins]
Touché, I think I may have heard that expression before, but not with
customers I have worked for and with.
>
> And, then what did your comment mean, about my e-mail address?
>
[Ron Hawkins]
Geez Ted, what comment are you talking about? I mentioned your "EMAIL" not
your "EMAIL ADDRESS." Looky here:
" Based on your email do you think..."
>
> Never been to SCIDS.
[Ron Hawkins]
OK so you never attended SHARE and enjoyed free drinks and horse doovers at
the IBM-MAIN table at SCIDS.
>
> I made a comment.
> You attacked.
[Ron Hawkins]
Ted you have to start thinking about what you say. Your reply means that you
and a Canadian Bank Manager have firsthand experience of a vendor running
two price books for Enterprise storage based on whether array groups are
formatted for as Open Systems or Mainframe. I'm attacking the validity and
veracity of your claim, not you. That's a pretty big claim, and I say it is
not true.
If you meant something else, then stop building straw man and make your
statement correctly. If you meant to say that the you and the Bank Manager
get Midrange prices for your Open Systems storage, but not Mainframe storage
then say that. It's a darn sight different to saying you have experience of
a vendor running two price books.
> Maybe lived through it is too livid for your taste.
>
> But, I've attempted to explain that we have bought the same hardware for
open
> and z and the z version cost more.
[Ron Hawkins]
No you haven't, until now. You claim to have experienced a vendor running
two price books. As a customer and working for a vendor I've seen MF cost
more than Open, and Open cost more than Mainframe. The Merchant of Venice
runs on every OS.
>
> >Ted, in that email you just repeated someone else's experience and did
not
> mention your own.
>
> I did originally.
>
[Ron Hawkins]
Well, no you didn't mention it originally. You mentioned it later in your
response to my "separate price list" comment.
>
> I see!
> Therapy & SCIDS!
> That must show respect, in spades.
[Ron Hawkins]
Therapy is always an option. SCIDS, SHARE, free drinks, IBM-MAIN table,
horse doovers, yaddah-yaddah...
>
> I'm not sure what you're talking about here, but I was stating, if I have
this
> correct, that there was an option to change EXCPs to connect time, rather
than
> blocks transferred
[Ron Hawkins]
And now you are wrong for a third time. IOSRVC=TIME in the IPS caused IO
service units to be calculated from Connect Time instead of EXCP counts.
There were no change to the EXCP counts fields in any SMF records because of
this, nor did the connect time fields changed when IOTM was not used.
> You disagreed, and I told you when it happened.
[Ron Hawkins]
The keyword happened. The affect you described did not.
>
> The SCIDS comment, for one.
> This, I read as ridicule.
[Ron Hawkins]
So what do have against SHARE, Free drinks, the IBM-MAIN table and horse
doovers?
> I've been involved three times with DASD costing more for the same
hardware on
> 'z' than open.
> One of my posts asked why, and you stated it has never happened in your
> experience, and when I stated it had you started this set of responses.
[Ron Hawkins]
No Ted, you claimed that you have experience of a vendor running two price
books for Mainframe and Open on Enterprise Storage. Now you are simply
saying you did not get as good a price on the Mainframe Deals you worked on.
>
> I had also stated that I had a discusion with a Storage Manager at a large
> Canadian Bank, even before you chimed in with that comment about it not
> happening.
[Ron Hawkins]
Well now you're putting words in my mouth. I said I felt he was not just
talking about the hardware. I also said that this seemed to be his
experience and not yours.
Feel free to state what your experience actually was, so then I can figure
out what you are actually talking about. You certainly seem to have backed
off from saying you have firsthand experience of " a separate price list for
Mainframe and Open Systems formatted storage."
Ron
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