On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Scott Ford <[email protected]> wrote: > Yep, I agree with Sam and John, been at singce 360/20 days and Netbeans or > vc++ > or vc# has better debuggers and editors than or friendly z/OS. > In regard to inventing something, I am a developer, but my time is better > spend > in areas making money for the guys i work for. > Besides, the new kids coming in what all the smoke/mirrors/snakebite oil to do > everything for them.
I know that Scott was a little tongue-in-cheek on his response. Based personal experience in the UK (within the last 2 years) a large financial service provider created, from the ground up, a clearing and settlement system in Java and iLog. There are over 25,000 software elements and several million lines of code. The development and debugging tools in these environments helped tremendously but most assuredly did not design or write the application. > > > I dont know about everyone else, no one handed the work I do to me on a silver > platter, I came up through the ranks.. > > Scott J Ford > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sam Siegel <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 3:56:12 PM > Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher > > <snip> > >> But typing COBOL code in ISPF is literally slower for me than typing Java >> code >>in Netbeans. Due in part to Netbean's intelligent auto-completion. When I >>start >>typing a variable name, about 80%+ of the time, Netbeans has a "in line" >>suggestion which I can select with a simple press of the ENTER key. ISPF has >>no >>smarts at all like this. RDz may, I don't know. Part of this is due to the >>more >>intelligent integration of the Java compiler with Netbeans. I've never had >>anything even vaguely similar to this on the mainframe. With Netbeans, I >>instantly know when I've misspelled something. With ISPF, I don't generally >>know >>until I do a compile. Which takes a while around here to due to the CPU >>constraints. Of course, what is needed is a good COBOL IDE on Windows for our >>programmers. One which knows COBOL syntax and can at least catch some variable >>name misspellings instantly. This would be far too costly to implement on the >>mainframe, even if possible. >> > <end-snip> > > The development and debugging facilities avaible on Windows, Java and > Unix in general are so far superior to those facilities on z/OS it is > similar to comparing a private automobiles from the Model A era (1927 > - 1931) to high end private automobiles (Bentley continental GT or > S-series Mercedes). > > Basically there is no comparison. > >> -- >> John McKown >> Systems Engineer IV >> IT >> >> Administrative Services Group >> >> HealthMarkets(r) >> >> 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 >> (817) 255-3225 phone * >> [email protected] * www.HealthMarkets.com >> >> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or >>proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact >>the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. >>HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the >>insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance >>Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The >>MEGA >>Life and Health Insurance Company.SM >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO >> Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
