Barry, I can understand that, hence the catch on of COBOL vs ASM. I worked a lot of SAS back in the v5 and v6 days. To me it was pretty straight forward no Problem, but then again I was a sysprog.
Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Jan 17, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Barry Merrill <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, the runs counter to the many sites that moved their applications > to PL/1, including State Farm (who trained 1,500 non-programmers to use > PL/1 in a 9 week course - those with musical ability, mathematical degrees, > or knowledge of two or more languages accounted for 90% of the folks who > were retained after that class!). We benchmarked SAS, PL/1, and ASM > programs > in about 1973, and saw ASM's execution was faster than PL/1, which was only > slightly faster than SAS, but the writing of the ASM program took 7 units of > time, > the PL/1 took 4 units of time, and SAS took 1 unit of time. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Scott Ford > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: AutoCoder > > Barry, > > My experience with PL/1 wasnt so good. In the 70's and 80's it was pretty > CPU intensive, i was on a 370/158 OS/VS2/HASP ...then later VSE on a 4381 , > PL/1 probably is much better with the faster machines. > > Sent from my iPad > Scott Ford > Senior Systems Engineer > www.identityforge.com > > > > On Jan 17, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Barry Merrill <[email protected]> wrote: > >> State Farm, in 1973, was completely dependent on AUTOCODER which was >> then running on 360/30s and 360/40s in the 25 regional offices, while >> the new "Real Time" replacement application was still being created >> (in PL/1). When the "Real Time" system ultimately failed, the next >> iteration was called "DELTA" as in "Drop Everything, Let's Try Again). >> >> Those AUTOCODER compiles required very long run times and were CPU >> hogs on the home office 360/165 machines, so a team was assembled to >> rewrite the compiler in PL/1. >> The end result was a massive reduction in the compile time. >> But the team found on instance in which the IBM compiler generated >> incorrect code, and were going to fix that IBM error, but management >> decided the team should generate the exact same code as the IBM >> compiler, so they implemented their compiler to generate that same error. >> >> I was NOT a part of this team, but I think that at least one of that >> team is a semi-frequent poster to this forum. >> >> Barry Merrill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) >> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 9:12 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: IBM researchers make 12-atom magnetic memory bit >> >> In <[email protected]>, on 01/16/2012 >> at 09:30 PM, Scott Ford <[email protected]> said: >> >>> Knew a guy 15 yrs a go made a lot of money still writing auto coder >>> .... >> >> I might believe AUTOCODER. Would that be 1401, 1410, 7070[1] or 7080 >> AUTOCODER? >> >> [1] By far the most sophisticated of the lot. >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT >> ISO position; see <http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html> >> We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. >> (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >> email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >> email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
