Robert,

Our mainframe IS going away.  I'll definitely tell the group after the 
conversion is done, and then after it is out the door.  I don't like 
it, but I can see the huge cost savings that will result.  Running 2 
datacenters down to 1, licensing z/OS at $30,000 per month going away.  
Building rental, power, phones, etc. all going away.  

I think the one thing that makes getting rid of our mainframe so 
attractive is that we already run SAP/R3 in our sister shop in 
Pennsylvania (Joy Mining).  At one time, SAP told us we would have to 
pay another license fee when we converted our R2 system to R3.  Several 
years ago, they decided they wouldn't charge us a license fee if we 
merged our data into Joy's data.  That is saving us millions of dollars.

Mainframes are going away.  We probably had 30 shops or more in the 
Milwaukee area when I started at P&H 21 years ago.  Now there are 
between 10 and 15.  Granted, some of the companies still run 
mainframes - just not in Milwaukee.  I know First Wisconsin Bank was 
one of the biggest shops, and it merged with another bank.  So did 
Marine bank, where I used to work before I went to P&H.  But, a lot of 
the shops used to run MVS, and now they don't.  Johnson Controls and 
Johnson Wax are 2 good examples.  I know people from both shops.  NO 
MORE MAINFRAME running MVS, OS/390, or z/OS.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
P&H Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Justice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, February 9, 2006 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: Mainframe Jobs Going Away

> I've heard that "mainframe is going away" talk for 15+ years, 
> haven't seen 
> one actually go away yet from any of the shops that have said it.
> 
> maybe what they mean is that the 
> 360-30/370-135/4341/3033/3081/3090/9021/9672/z900 mainframe is 
> going away to 
> be replaced with z990s and z9-109s.
> 
> let's all migrate to squirrel server !
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