On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:

On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:02:23 -0500, Ed Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I would suggest that you decline the request and say that since CA-1
"interacts" and is IBM module dependent it is in the best interest of
all parties to be in a deliverable state which facilitates IBM
maintenance.


SIGH/.... They don't play nicely with others. So you are right, but there are other who do. I was not saying CA is good or bad and I was not making my comments saying one vendor is good or bad. There are vendors who do play by the rules some don't. Some who do not need to know what maintenance level is. A program that opens a file processes records probably does not need to know the PTF level of MVS. (there are some exceptions but I won't point fingers at this time).

Programs that are dependent on mvs PTF level are IMO a must for smpe packaging. I know of one vendor that is extremely dependent on JES2 maintenance levels. I honestly don't remember if they SMPe packaged or not but I have read a bucket from the vendor and they talk about IBM PTF numbers. I do remember that they expect *YOU* (or your company) to be on almost bleeding edge JES2 maintenance.

Ed

It has been a long time since I did anything with CA-1, but I don't remember it ever having IFREQs on IBM maintenance, or even going into the same zone or belonging to Z038. Unless I am mistaken, Ed's comment doesn't apply.

All it takes to nullify the advantages of an SMP/E installation is *one*
request from the vendor to apply service with BYPASS(ID).

That said, my preference has generally been for an SMP/E install, provided that it is done correctly. This is no trivial matter, and as Mark pointed out. Innovation does a fine job without it. I wouldn't ask them to divert
resources from product development to provide proper SMP/E packaging.

Tom Marchant

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