The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick O'Keefe) writes:
> Since the other thread on this topic went off in a seriously OT 
> direction I'll comment on this thread.
>
> That original article seemed to imply that the problem was language-
> based.  I've been out of touch with the educational system(s) far
> too long to have a really know what is currently taught and how it
> is taught.   I have trouble believing that switching from Java to 
> C, C++, LISP, and Ada is going to fix the problem.  (Is Ada common
> in CS curriculum?  I notice the authors work at an Ada development
> shop.  They may be a bit biased.)
>
> I think their comment that Java encourages a "pick a tool that works"
> mentality may be right on, though.  
>
> Rick Fochtman's question about Radix Partition Tress would make a 
> good test for CS students.  I picture a blank stare on the student's
> faces, but I would love to be shown wrong.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#64 Radix Partition Trees

there is independent thread in a.f.c regarding the same article, some of
the posts:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#44 Computer Science Education: Where Are 
the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#46 Computer Science Education: Where Are 
the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#56 Computer Science Education: Where Are 
the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#57 Computer Science Education: Where Are 
the Software Engineers of  Tomorrow?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#62 competitiveness

part of it related to reduced math requirements and part of it related
to java (including some mention of java early days).

as noted in the radix partition trees thread ... some of luther's work
showed up in mainframe instructions.

i had been involved in the original relational/sql implementation,
system/r
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#systemr

and technology transfer to endicott for sql/ds. for other topic drift
... one of the people in the meeting referenced here ... had mentioned
that they had done much of the work for the technology transfer back
from endicott to stl for db2
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13

about the same time as the original relational/sql work, I also was
involved doing some stuff with a similar, but different kind of dbms
implementation (joint project between some people in stl and the los
gatos vlsi group). this had some of the similar objectives as the
relational/sql activity ... but significantly relaxed the requirements
for structured data definition ... and used radix partition trees for
its indexing structure (and the person involved in the two mainframe
instructions was brought in to consult on some of the work).

there was some differences between the old-style '60s DBMS contingent in
STL and the relational/sql contingent ... with the '60 DBMS contingent
pointing out that relational/sql typically doubled the physical disk
requirements (for the table indexes) and also greatly increased the
physical disk i/os (for processing the indexes). the relational/sql
contingent countered that the use of indexes was part of eliminating the
direct record pointer paradigm (that were characteristic of the '60
DBMS) as well as all the associated administrative overhead.

during the 80s, things started to tip towards relational/sql ...  with
disk cost/byte significantly reduced and significant increases in system
real storages (allowing index caching, eliminating many of the
additional index disk physical i/os) .... aka change in hardware cost
tradeoff versis administrative/skill overhead.

for other drift, a totally independent implementation i use for
maintaining the rfc index information
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm

as well as the merged glossary/taxonomy information
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/index.html

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