Shai, You do intend to create a company? Your website says otherwise. In fact, the way it reads you are not the owner of MFNETDISK, you are the Chief Developer. The website says "We are in the progress of establishing a small company that specializes in the Network Disk Storage area for Mainframe systems."
http://www.mfnetdisk.com/43973/Products A conflicting message there mate. I happen to think that competition is a healthy thing. My life would be pretty boring without it. I don't think you are developing something that will compete head-on with HDS, EMC and IBM storage. I think the products you are competing with are TDMF and FDRPAS, and to a lesser extent CA-VTAPE and VTF-MF. The first two products are used regularly by HDS as migration tools. IBM/Softek and Innovation provide tools that allow us and the other storage vendors to sell and deliver a service. If MFNETDISK can play in that league then you will get a lot of interest from the storage vendors as well as MF users. Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of shai hess > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] direct attach PC to Hitachi, EMC or IBM. > > RON, > > > I enjoy to develop MFNetDisk. > > I do not create company and I do not intent to create company to > competed > IBM, EMC or HDS. > > I like to develop the product and I happy when somebody use it. > > This is not a business but a big enjoy to develop such a complicate > and > sophisticate software. > > I did not sell any MFNetDisk but people find it interesting product > and > they love it. > > I see this product as addition tool to MVS users. > > I honestly think that this product can be use in some occasion because > of > the lower cost. > > I am a developer and not a business man. > > Thanks, > Shai > > On 4/4/08, Ron Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Shai, > > > > The API for OS Cross File Exchange will allow you to read and write > data > > to > > and from CKD emulated volumes. It is supported on every array from > the > > 7700E > > through to the current USP-V. > > > > There is no MF side software - it is all in the Microcde. The Open > Systems > > sides provides the software that allows you to read the file on a > 3390 > > directly from your Open Systems Server. There are also utilites that > > provide > > a file transfer type of interface so the files can be copied from the > 3390 > > to a LUN on the server, either as a binary or with translation > applied. > > > > I don't see that there is actually a need fro MFNETDISK, as the HDS > > software > > and hardware are all ready maintaining the datasets and VTOC even > though > > the > > file is written/read from an Open Systems Server. > > > > It's not a secret - you can read about it at > > http://www.hds.com/products/storage-software/cross-os-file- > exchange.html. > > It > > is not as popular as TrueCopy and Shadowimage, but it is installed in > a > > surprising number of sites. > > > > If your customer has purchased the software then MFNETDISK can access > the > > API. If you want to incorporate the API into your product then you > will > > have > > to get in contact with Hitachi. > > > > Regarding the unique features of your product, I am forming the > opinion > > that > > you belive this because of a lack of research. You could have found > the > > above web page yourself without too much trouble. > > > > Not one of your claimed unique features are unique. I'm surprised > that you > > claim de-duplication as a unique feature. With your occasional work > at > > Diligent you must know that they have delivered de-duplication in > > ProtectTIER for quite some time. > > > > I understand exactly what you are writing, and I do not belive that > there > > is > > a significant market for your type of product running as a > workstation > > class > > tool. Most MF customers acually are not interested in backing up data > from > > a > > 6 million dollar MF onto a six hundred dollar PC. I do believe that > MF > > customers are interested in leveraging tiered storage on modular disk > > systems that provide reasonably high levels of availability and data > > protection. Not as good as a DMX, DS8K or USP-V, but a magnitude > better > > than > > a $50 disk drive in $20 USB drive case. > > > > Talk to me about supporting 4000 or more volumes at a time and using > most > > of > > the capacity of a 10GbE LAN to copy and move data and you'll have my > > interest. If you don't get scalability and reliability into your > product > > you > > will not get any traction in the MF market. > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > > > Behalf Of shai hess > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:32 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] direct attach PC to Hitachi, EMC or IBM. > > > > > > RON, > > > > > > If the HDS box is configure and have definition for 3390 without > > > running > > > ickdsf, is it posible that I from PC will create 3390 disk with the > > > data > > > which is created in the PC hard disk? > > > > > > Sorry that it seem that I claim that I have the only features of > SRDF, > > > Emulates 3390 etc..and nobody have these features. > > > > > > I sure that people understand that I mean, TCP connection, backup > in > > > PC, DE > > > Dupe and cheap, cheap, cheap solution which have some of the > features > > > of > > > other companies which their product cost much, much more money. > > > > > > As I said before, if you have the money, the best product is IBM, > HDS > > > and > > > EMC real disk (I hope that nobody critisize me about the order...). > > > > > > A lot of my claims is not that PC is better than MF (Sorry if you > feel > > > that > > > my target is to eliminate the MF from the market, I also depand on > MF > > > like > > > most of you) all what I said is that open as it use today is not > secure > > > as > > > MF (and that is normal, nobody will try to take a risk using the MF > for > > > the > > > web and email and playing with unknown site). > > > > > > Just to make it clear..MF is much better host than PC for > production > > > work > > > only if it stay less open that the PC. I have in my home PC for my > > > kids, > > > this PC have a all kind of disease and intentionally I dedicate it > to > > > my > > > kids to do what ever they like with this PC. Be sure that I will > not > > > give my > > > kids to play with MF for surfing the Internet. > > > > > > Real disk are much better and faster and reliable (My product is a > new > > > product) compare to my product. > > > > > > HDS, IBM and EMC have more features that I have and they are > better > > > compare > > > to my product. > > > > > > MFNetDisk have some features that real disk does not have, and > some > > > features that real disk have. > > > > > > Sometime I feel that I need a lawyer to check every word I write, > I am > > > sure > > > most of you understand what I mean or maybe what I write is not > clear > > > as I > > > imagine. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Shai > > > > > > > > > On 4/3/08, Ron Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shai, > > > > > > > > Let me see if I have this right. You have been contacted by > someone > > > with > > > > some model of HDS Disk array formatted for MF, but they don't > have a > > > MF to > > > > connect it to. You want to read the data from the MF formatted > > > volumes via > > > > Fibre Channel. > > > > > > > > If that's it, then I'm afraid you are out of like. The API for > Cross > > > OS > > > > File > > > > X (HMDE, Rapid X) manages reassmbling/dissasembling the CKD > records > > > that > > > > are > > > > encpasulated in the FBA blocks of the logical volume, including > the > > > CKD > > > > level ECC. The problem for you is that volumes that can mounted > as > > > both MF > > > > and FBA must be formatted as such from the get go. > > > > > > > > Unless the MF volumes was formatted as a 3390-nA, 3390-nB or > 3390-nC > > > the > > > > storage will only let you access the volume through ESCON or > FICON. > > > The > > > > A/B/C designations are Hitachi internal, and relate to the > direction > > > in > > > > which updates are allowed (MF only, OPEN only, or swinging both > > > ways). > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of shai hess > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:23 AM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] direct attach PC to Hitachi, EMC or > IBM. > > > > > > > > > > RON, > > > > > > > > > > I need to access the data of the 3390 disk inside the box. > There > > > must > > > > > be > > > > > something that will enable it. The CKD is not standard in non > FICON > > > > > interface. > > > > > > > > > > I heard that there is API which enable server to access the > 3390 > > > data. > > > > > Maybe a driver is needed in the PC. > > > > > > > > > > Can you give me more information if you familiar wit this > issue. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Shai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/3/08, Ron Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shai, > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to get things right, there is no such thing as a 3390 ot > > > 3990 > > > > > > controller. There are Disk arrays that can have CKD volumes > > > connected > > > > > by > > > > > > FICON or ESCON, or FBA LUNs connected through Fibre Channel > or > > > iSCSI. > > > > > > There > > > > > > is also a plethora of storage that is FBA Fibre Channel only > and > > > > > there is > > > > > > a > > > > > > bunch of network attached filers that manage fibre channel > > > storage. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to write to HDS a storage from a PC connected > through > > > > > Fibre > > > > > > Channel, then all you have to do is mount the LUN on the > server > > > and > > > > > that's > > > > > > it. There's no API to do Fibre Channel IO. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Shai Hess > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:02 AM > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Subject: [IBM-MAIN] direct attach PC to Hitachi, EMC or > IBM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that some 3390 controller allow direct attached PC > > > computer > > > > > to > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > controller using fiber channel or any other connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that they have API to communicate with the 3390 > data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody can help me with that. I have a request from > smeone > > > who > > > > > ask to > > > > > > > copy from pc to Hitachi controller which is not connected > to > > > MVS os > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > 3390 data from PC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That can make MFNetDisk a better product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Shai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > --- > > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access > instructions, > > > > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET > IBM- > > > MAIN > > > > > INFO > > > > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm- > > > main.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > ---- > > > > > - > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access > instructions, > > > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM- > MAIN > > > > > INFO > > > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm- > main.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > --- > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM- > MAIN > > > INFO > > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm- > main.html > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > - > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN > > > INFO > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN > INFO > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN > INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
