RON, >I think the products you are competing with are TDMF and FDRPAS, and to a >lesser extent CA-VTAPE and VTF-MF. The first two products are used regularly >by HDS as migration tools. IBM/Softek and Innovation provide tools that >allow us and the other storage vendors to sell and deliver a service. If >MFNETDISK can play in that league then you will get a lot of interest from >the storage vendors as well as MF users.
I very much appreciate your advice and I will be happy to hear from you in more detail and if you like privately about the direction which MFNetDisk must take to succeed. Thanks, Shai On 4/4/08, Ron Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Shai, > > You do intend to create a company? Your website says otherwise. In fact, > the > way it reads you are not the owner of MFNETDISK, you are the Chief > Developer. The website says "We are in the progress of establishing a > small > company that specializes in the Network Disk Storage area for Mainframe > systems." > > http://www.mfnetdisk.com/43973/Products > > A conflicting message there mate. > > I happen to think that competition is a healthy thing. My life would be > pretty boring without it. I don't think you are developing something that > will compete head-on with HDS, EMC and IBM storage. > > I think the products you are competing with are TDMF and FDRPAS, and to a > lesser extent CA-VTAPE and VTF-MF. The first two products are used > regularly > by HDS as migration tools. IBM/Softek and Innovation provide tools that > allow us and the other storage vendors to sell and deliver a service. If > MFNETDISK can play in that league then you will get a lot of interest from > the storage vendors as well as MF users. > > Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of shai hess > > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:01 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] direct attach PC to Hitachi, EMC or IBM. > > > > RON, > > > > > > I enjoy to develop MFNetDisk. > > > > I do not create company and I do not intent to create company to > > competed > > IBM, EMC or HDS. > > > > I like to develop the product and I happy when somebody use it. > > > > This is not a business but a big enjoy to develop such a complicate > > and > > sophisticate software. > > > > I did not sell any MFNetDisk but people find it interesting product > > and > > they love it. > > > > I see this product as addition tool to MVS users. > > > > I honestly think that this product can be use in some occasion because > > of > > the lower cost. > > > > I am a developer and not a business man. > > > > Thanks, > > Shai > > > > On 4/4/08, Ron Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Shai, > > > > > > The API for OS Cross File Exchange will allow you to read and write > > data > > > to > > > and from CKD emulated volumes. It is supported on every array from > > the > > > 7700E > > > through to the current USP-V. > > > > > > There is no MF side software - it is all in the Microcde. The Open > > Systems > > > sides provides the software that allows you to read the file on a > > 3390 > > > directly from your Open Systems Server. There are also utilites that > > > provide > > > a file transfer type of interface so the files can be copied from the > > 3390 > > > to a LUN on the server, either as a binary or with translation > > applied. > > > > > > I don't see that there is actually a need fro MFNETDISK, as the HDS > > > software > > > and hardware are all ready maintaining the datasets and VTOC even > > though > > > the > > > file is written/read from an Open Systems Server. > > > > > > It's not a secret - you can read about it at > > > http://www.hds.com/products/storage-software/cross-os-file- > > exchange.html. > > > It > > > is not as popular as TrueCopy and Shadowimage, but it is installed in > > a > > > surprising number of sites. > > > > > > If your customer has purchased the software then MFNETDISK can access > > the > > > API. If you want to incorporate the API into your product then you > > will > > > have > > > to get in contact with Hitachi. > > > > > > Regarding the unique features of your product, I am forming the > > opinion > > > that > > > you belive this because of a lack of research. You could have found > > the > > > above web page yourself without too much trouble. > > > > > > Not one of your claimed unique features are unique. I'm surprised > > that you > > > claim de-duplication as a unique feature. With your occasional work > > at > > > Diligent you must know that they have delivered de-duplication in > > > ProtectTIER for quite some time. > > > > > > I understand exactly what you are writing, and I do not belive that > > there > > > is > > > a significant market for your type of product running as a > > workstation > > > class > > > tool. Most MF customers acually are not interested in backing up data > > from > > > a > > > 6 million dollar MF onto a six hundred dollar PC. I do believe that > > MF > > > customers are interested in leveraging tiered storage on modular disk > > > systems that provide reasonably high levels of availability and data > > > protection. Not as good as a DMX, DS8K or USP-V, but a magnitude > > better > > > than > > > a $50 disk drive in $20 USB drive case. > > > > > > Talk to me about supporting 4000 or more volumes at a time and using > > most > > > of > > > the capacity of a 10GbE LAN to copy and move data and you'll have my > > > interest. If you don't get scalability and reliability into your > > product > > > you > > > will not get any traction in the MF market. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On > > > > Behalf Of shai hess > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:32 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] direct attach PC to Hitachi, EMC or IBM. > > > > > > > > RON, > > > > > > > > If the HDS box is configure and have definition for 3390 without > > > > running > > > > ickdsf, is it posible that I from PC will create 3390 disk with the > > > > data > > > > which is created in the PC hard disk? > > > > > > > > Sorry that it seem that I claim that I have the only features of > > SRDF, > > > > Emulates 3390 etc..and nobody have these features. > > > > > > > > I sure that people understand that I mean, TCP connection, backup > > in > > > > PC, DE > > > > Dupe and cheap, cheap, cheap solution which have some of the > > features > > > > of > > > > other companies which their product cost much, much more money. > > > > > > > > As I said before, if you have the money, the best product is IBM, > > HDS > > > > and > > > > EMC real disk (I hope that nobody critisize me about the order...). > > > > > > > > A lot of my claims is not that PC is better than MF (Sorry if you > > feel > > > > that > > > > my target is to eliminate the MF from the market, I also depand on > > MF > > > > like > > > > most of you) all what I said is that open as it use today is not > > secure > > > > as > > > > MF (and that is normal, nobody will try to take a risk using the MF > > for > > > > the > > > > web and email and playing with unknown site). > > > > > > > > Just to make it clear..MF is much better host than PC for > > production > > > > work > > > > only if it stay less open that the PC. I have in my home PC for my > > > > kids, > > > > this PC have a all kind of disease and intentionally I dedicate it > > to > > > > my > > > > kids to do what ever they like with this PC. Be sure that I will > > not > > > > give my > > > > kids to play with MF for surfing the Internet. > > > > > > > > Real disk are much better and faster and reliable (My product is a > > new > > > > product) compare to my product. > > > > > > > > HDS, IBM and EMC have more features that I have and they are > > better > > > > compare > > > > to my product. > > > > > > > > MFNetDisk have some features that real disk does not have, and > > some > > > > features that real disk have. > > > > > > > > Sometime I feel that I need a lawyer to check every word I write, > > I am > > > > sure > > > > most of you understand what I mean or maybe what I write is not > > clear > > > > as I > > > > imagine. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Shai > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/3/08, Ron Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shai, > > > > > > > > > > Let me see if I have this right. You have been contacted by > > someone > > > > with > > > > > some model of HDS Disk array formatted for MF, but they don't > > have a > > > > MF to > > > > > connect it to. You want to read the data from the MF formatted > > > > volumes via > > > > > Fibre Channel. > > > > > > > > > > If that's it, then I'm afraid you are out of like. The API for > > Cross > > > > OS > > > > > File > > > > > X (HMDE, Rapid X) manages reassmbling/dissasembling the CKD > > records > > > > that > > > > > are > > > > > encpasulated in the FBA blocks of the logical volume, including > > the > > > > CKD > > > > > level ECC. The problem for you is that volumes that can mounted > > as > > > > both MF > > > > > and FBA must be formatted as such from the get go. > > > > > > > > > > Unless the MF volumes was formatted as a 3390-nA, 3390-nB or > > 3390-nC > > > > the > > > > > storage will only let you access the volume through ESCON or > > FICON. > > > > The > > > > > A/B/C designations are Hitachi internal, and relate to the > > direction > > > > in > > > > > which updates are allowed (MF only, OPEN only, or swinging both > > > > ways). > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of shai hess > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:23 AM > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] direct attach PC to Hitachi, EMC or > > IBM. > > > > > > > > > > > > RON, > > > > > > > > > > > > I need to access the data of the 3390 disk inside the box. > > There > > > > must > > > > > > be > > > > > > something that will enable it. The CKD is not standard in non > > FICON > > > > > > interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > I heard that there is API which enable server to access the > > 3390 > > > > data. > > > > > > Maybe a driver is needed in the PC. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you give me more information if you familiar wit this > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Shai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/3/08, Ron Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to get things right, there is no such thing as a 3390 ot > > > > 3990 > > > > > > > controller. There are Disk arrays that can have CKD volumes > > > > connected > > > > > > by > > > > > > > FICON or ESCON, or FBA LUNs connected through Fibre Channel > > or > > > > iSCSI. > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > is also a plethora of storage that is FBA Fibre Channel only > > and > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > bunch of network attached filers that manage fibre channel > > > > storage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to write to HDS a storage from a PC connected > > through > > > > > > Fibre > > > > > > > Channel, then all you have to do is mount the LUN on the > > server > > > > and > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > it. There's no API to do Fibre Channel IO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Shai Hess > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:02 AM > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > Subject: [IBM-MAIN] direct attach PC to Hitachi, EMC or > > IBM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that some 3390 controller allow direct attached PC > > > > computer > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > controller using fiber channel or any other connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that they have API to communicate with the 3390 > > data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody can help me with that. I have a request from > > smeone > > > > who > > > > > > ask to > > > > > > > > copy from pc to Hitachi controller which is not connected > > to > > > > MVS os > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > 3390 data from PC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That can make MFNetDisk a better product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Shai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access > > instructions, > > > > > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET > > IBM- > > > > MAIN > > > > > > INFO > > > > > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm- > > > > main.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > ---- > > > > > > - > > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access > > instructions, > > > > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM- > > MAIN > > > > > > INFO > > > > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm- > > main.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > --- > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM- > > MAIN > > > > INFO > > > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm- > > main.html > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > - > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN > > > > INFO > > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN > > INFO > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN > > INFO > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
